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Can anyone trace this family in 1851? Or 1841?
1861 census Gosforth P 3853 F19
George Douglas 61 Colliery Overlooker b Earsdon
Jane wi 49 b Aycliffe
Jane da 21 b Corbridge Northumberland
Robert George so 18 "
George so 12 b Gosforth
George Donkin 3 grandson b Newcastle
Thanks
Peggy
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Hi,
I am researching the Knox family of Gosforth and have a photo of Mary Ellen Douglas b1834 wife of Thomas Douglas, with her grandson Alfred b abt 1889.
I think James Knox married Mary Jane Douglas 1895 - are these your Douglases?
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
I'm not sure yet. Could well be. The ages are in the ballpark, and the place is the same. At the moment, I have Jane Douglas, born about 1840, Robert George born about 1843, and another George born 1849- children of George and Jane Meggison. No Thomas but he could be gone from home in 1851.
It is the Meggison family that I am predominately looking up.
Thanks for replying.
Peggy
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Peggy,
New member to roots chat but saw your thread from 2005 searching for help with George Douglas and Jane Meggison.
George douglas b.1861 is in fact my great,great grandfather and i have quite a bit of information on him.I would be glad to share it with you if you are still interested.
bykerlad.
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Hello Bykerlad,
I would love to have information of George Douglas. Thank you for your offer. If you wish to write offsite, try peggyc2sky at yahoo.com
Peggy
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Peggy,
On 1851 census the family are living in the South Gosforth Colliery ( near Haddrick Mill)
Page ref 2413-152-24
Head George DouglasS, 51 Colliery Overman, born North Shields
Wife Jane 39 b.Aycliff
Dtr Margaret 17 b.Gosforth
Dtr Mary A 14 b. "
Dtr Jane 11 b. "
Son Robert G 7 b. "
Son George J 2 b. "
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Margaret Douglas married David Donkin, March Qtr 1857, reg @ Newcastle
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Hope this helps. Unfortunately I am on a sticky wicket for them on 1841 census, but I am batting on.
Michael
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Peggy and Michael,
I must admit i'm a little confused with this topic now as i have traced George and Jane back to census 1841.
Maybe the confusion is that i am going off the correct spelling of Douglas with a single 's' on the end,which is how my name is spelt.I have a record of George and Jane's (meggison) marriage at Gosforth St.Nicholas on April 25th 1833.They had children,George(1828) Jane (1828 ?)William (1831) Elizabeth(1835)and Thomas (1837) although 3 of the children were born before the marriage,i think it was commonplace in those days as much as it is now.
They were living at Lane House,Kirknewton,Howtel,Northumberland in 1841.George was born in 1791 and Jane in 1801.
I also have a copy of George's (1828) death certificate stating that he died in 1914 aged 86yrs old,he was a colliery overman,born in Stanhope,Co.Durham. The person who reported or found him dead was his son in law Thomas Prince according to the certificate,Thomas actually married George's daughter Annie in 1906, so this kept me on the trail thinking i was correct.George died at Heworth,Co.Durham which is where the family lived at the time according to census records.
George (1828) who i believe to be my great,great grandfather was married twice,the first was to Isabella(heckels)1852 and the second was to Ann(tiplady)1872 this marriage produced the daughter Annie.
Now that you have both come up with a different George and Jane this has thrown my research into serious doubt and i am now starting to think i have been chasing the wrong family all this time.
It looks like i'll have to start all over again,or maybe i am on the right track,would appreciate both of your inputs,that is, if i haven't confused you or put you off.
Regards,
Bykerlad
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Hi Bykerlad,
The limited information that I have agrees with Michael's 1851 census, although who knows, I could be wrong but I don't think so. Jane was born abt. 1812, daughter of Robert Meggison and margaret Clarke who were married Dec 14, 1807 in Heighington Parish, Aycliffe, Durham. I have George with 2 s as born abt 1800.
I have the same marriage date as you in 1833 for George and Jane. But I don't have the same children. I have the same ones as on the 1851 census. George J. was born 1849 according to what I have.
Let's work on this to get it all sorted out.
Peggy
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Bykerlad,
When my mother ( nee Irene Gallagher) was alive, she warned me that Gallagher was the exact and only version of her family's surname, and that those folk with other spellings were descended from rogues and smugglers.
Of course I now know that she was mistaken and that in earlier times with widespread illiteracy, there was no such thing as a "correct" spelling of a surname.
So I would not worry about Douglas(s) having one or two letter "s".
Michael Dixon
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Hi all,
I think if i can give you all my trail history regarding George and Jane,starting with a few people whom i know to be dead-certs (no pun intended).
My father John's father was Ralph b.1886-d.1938 he was a coal merchant in Newcastle,his father was George (Heckels)Douglas b.1860 in South Shields.The "Heckels" part comes from his Mother,Isabella's maiden name,why he inherited this middle name i'm not sure but his older brother Matthew b.1853 had the same " Heckels" in his full title.
George (1828)married Isabella in 1852 in South Shields,she died in 1869 and George went on to marry Ann Tiplady in 1872 in Jarrow.
Peggy,you will in fact have George as a widower in the 1871 census but is he the one living at Harton Colliery Double Row,Harton,Co.Durham along with his children and the eldest being Matthew(heckels) 18,Isabella 13,George(heckels) 11,Sarah Ann 8 and youngest son Joseph 5.
This is where the trail goes a bit sticky,my George's (1828) father was definitely named George as i have this on his Marriage certificate to Isabella Heckels.Maybe i have gone wrong tracing back from there and found a George with parents George and Jane and took it for granted that this was the same family,there are so many George's involved here it is so frustrating.
Peggy,i'm not sure if this helps clear things up a little in your search and your mind and hope it hasn't confused you as much as it has me.
Any more help would be appreciated before i lose my mind !!!!!
Kind Regards,
Bykerlad.
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Hi Bykerlad,
It seems we do have 2 Georges at the same time with mine born abt. 1800 and marrying Jane Meggison and yours marrying Isabella and Ann. the George that I found in 1871 is mine, as he is living with his daughter Margaret, son George born 1849, and Margaret's children George Donkin and Ellen. Margaret married David Donkin who I have died before 1881 but not sure when. My George is living in South Gosforth in 1871.
It looks like your George was also a widower in 1871 if Isabella died in 1869. Your trail seems to be yourself, John, Ralph, George born 1828, and another George born?? who must be different than my George as my George was married Apr 1833 when your George was only 5. Your George's father George could possibly be the same George as mine born 1800 agewise, but the rest doesn't fit for George and Jane to be his parents. Your George married in 1852 when my George and Jane were still married and his son George was born 1849 whereas your George married in 1852. Definitely 2 lines going on here.
Hope you can follow my reasoning which is supported by my very important letter of 1844 written by Jane's father Robert Meggison.
Peggy
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Hi Bykerlad,
On familysearch, I just found a marriage for Isabella Heckels to George Douglas on Jan 11, 1852 in St. Hilda's Church, South Shields. My George, age 61, born Earsdon, was still married to Jane Meggison in 1861 and they were in South Gosforth where George was a colliery overlooker. My George had children Jane, Robert George, and George (age 12) still at home.
Peggy