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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: adriatikfan on Tuesday 15 February 05 20:48 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on The following family in 1861 (or 1851 plesae)
Edward Foley 44 boatman
Rebecca Foley 41 boatwoman
Keziah Foley 9 boatwoman
Phoebe Foley 6 boatwoman
Joseph Foley 4
George Foley 1
On the 1871 census they are all listed as boatman/boatwoman but with no name of boat/vessel etc.,
Would appreciate any help or guidance.
Best Wishes
david
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MMM David ...If this is him in 1851 then he wasnt yet married and had nothing to do with boats at this stage He is the only Edward I can find in Warwick in 1851
HO107/2062 Folio 106 Page 15
Lozeles Road
Aston Warwickshire
FOLEY Edward Head 35 Unm b Bilston Staff Clerk (Warehouse)
POWELL Mercy Niece 9 b Tipton Warwick
OWENS Eliza Servant Unm b Kingston Hef
Cheers Kris ;D
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Many thanks Kris - this is the first lead I have had - the 1871 census lists his birthplace as Kingswinford and he does have a 19 year old daughter in 1871, suggesting he married in at least 1851 or 1852 but West Midlands BMD has no record of a Foley marrying in the years 1849 - 1853.
Free BMD has an Edward Foley marrying a Rebecca Shepherd in 1850 in Bradford but I doubt these are the same couple, unless they were on the canals by then which would mean the Edward you have found would be out of the frame.
Time to think.
Best Wishes
David
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MMM Interesting David...I C your delema....I just had a look at that 1871 entry really doesnt say much except as u say he does have a 19 year old born Bilston ??? (I look at my man but really he should be married) and a wife Rebecca which then makes me think that the man I found is not yours and as u say yours may have been on the canals by then.... interesting u have found a marriage to a Rebecca...I have had nothing to do with boat people but expect they would not be easy to trace and seeing an 11 year old b Worcestershire they may not be in Warwick in 1861 either...Sorry I couldnt b more help
All the best....Kris :D
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I have confirmed links back to the Foley family of boatpeople who are recorded in the 1871 census in West Bromwich as:
Edward Foley, 54, Boatman, born Kingswinford
Rebecca Foley 51, Boatwoman, born Coleshill (?)
Keziah Foley, 19, Boatwoman, born Bilston
Phoebe Foley, 16, Boatwoman, born Bilston
Joseph Foley, 14, Boatman, born Bilston
Georrge Foley 11, Boatman, born Dudley
Samuel Foley, 7 Boatman, born Oldbury
David Foley, 4, Boatman, born Bilston.
On the 1871 census, page RG10/2986, there is no mention of any address, boat, vessel, losdging place - nothing!. It is the same on the previous page and the following page.
I have had no joy in any area pre 1871 - any help, information, advice or guidance would be very much appreciated. Edward was my great great grandfather.
Best Wishes
David
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Have you got any of the birth certificates for the children? Some were born around census time and just may show where they were then - probably a vain hope but you never know. I believe there is a Society for boat and canal people. There is certainly a museum somewhere as I have read an article about it.
Good luck!
Andrea
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No I don't have any birth certificates yet - I can't track down an entry for birth for Kezia(h) Foley on either Free BMD or West Midlands BMD. I have a possible lead on Phoebe. There is a birth registered for Joseph Foley in Dudley around the right time on 1837 online but the page entry is almost impossible to read. Confusingly, there is another Joseph Foley born around the same time whose birth details I have but it is not my Joseph Foley.
All my attempts with the Boatpeople mailing lists have not brought any success so far.
I have a possible wedding of an Edward Foley and Rebecca Reeves in 1837 but in the quarter before Free BMD and West Midlands BMD have accessible records.
So I'm stuck at the moment.
Best Wishes
David
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If you search in 1837online , 1861 census, for Foley and occupation boatman you will find Joseph Foley , 28 and Samuel Foley 50, both living in Dudley which is close to Kingswinford and West Bromwich. Hope this helps
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Have you seen his one?
1861.
Edward Foley abt 1818 Badley, Worcestershire, England Boatman Master Vessels Staffordshire
Eliza Foley abt 1844 Badley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Vessels Staffordshire
Emma Foley abt 1848 Badley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Vessels Staffordshire
Joseph Foley abt 1856 Son Vessels Staffordshire
Pheobe Foley abt 1854 Badley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Vessels Staffordshire
Rio.
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I don't know if you're still searching for Edward Foley as your post is 3 years old now, but I am a direct descendant of Edward Foley. He was my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather.
There are still quite a few Foleys in West Bromwich, and in fact a distant cousin of mine on the Foley side is still in the Canal barge business.
In 1861 Edward was on a barge in Cheadle, Staffordshire called "The Rifle Man", his wife Rebecca (nee Reeves) is not with him at this time, but he has four of the children with him (Eliza, Emma, Phoebe and Joseph). I believe Rebecca was not with him at this time as my Great-Great Grandfather (George) was born around this time. My Great-Grandfather was Samuel Foley, who died aged 46. Three of Samuel's children are still alive, including my Grandmother.
I am still researching and haven't gone back to 1851 but will post again when I have more information.
Just out of interest, what is your connection with the Foleys?
My tree is on Ancestry.co.uk
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This would fit with the 1837 marriage but no connection with boats:
1841 Sedgley, Wolv.
HO107/998/7
Edward Foley, 20, lab
Rebecca Foley, 20
Mary Ann Foley, 3
Maria Foley, 9m
In 1851 there is a Mary Ann Foley, 21, (unm) living in Sedgley (with her daughter Maria, 1m) as a servant to William Reeves. The coincidence of names may be just that.
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hi, just googled Edward Foley and found this thread. Your Edward was my 1st coz 4xremoved. Don't know if I've been in touch with you before but Edwards gd father, another Edward married Rebecca Cooksey and I am descended from his son Williams line. I am in touch with someone in New Zealand who is directly descended from Edward and Rebecca Reeves' son Samuel. Are you looking for more info or do you have some to impart. Would love to exchange some fresh info and ideas. :)
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Hello,
I've been researching my family tree for a while. I have a strong connection with the canals, was fascinated by them as a child and eventually lived on a canal boat. I'm back on dry land now but still own a narrowboat for family holidays etc.
It wasn't until after I started to live on that I found out about my family history. My Great-Great-Great-Grandfather was also Edward Foley, I am from David Foley's line. David was born "on-board" but moved out of the family business, from what I have heard (from older relatives) the Foley family owned and operated several of their own boats. Some records show family members as visitors to other boats during census so this may be an indicator that they had other families working their boats.
I have a few photographs going back to David Foley (b. 1866) and have some form of family tree to before 1750. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has information or is connected with this family.
Later this summer we plan to take our narrowboat along the Caldon Canal to Froghall tracing the journey that must have been very common for our family 150 years ago.
Phil.
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Hi Phil, nice to meet a new rellie, even if a little distant. The earliest Foley photo I have is c1889 of William and his wife Nancy nee Burley. Wm and your David were 2nd cousins. As far as I know he never set foot on a boat but made his living as a chainmaker/publican and brewer of beer and soft drinks.
I take it you still live in UK? My contact has written a book called 'Waterways to Railways' which is just for family and there is a small paragraph on David and Mary Annie Smith. No doubt she could have put in more if she had known of your connection!
Send me a pm with your email address if you want any further contact.
Pat
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Hi
Sundancer will need at least one more post before he can send a pm. Reply to this and you have another one, Phil! Click on the scroll under Traysha's name to get to the Personal Message facility.
Andrea
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Can I please say a huge thank you to those of you who posted the last 3 or 4 messages. For a variety of reasons I haven't been able to do much Family History work in the last few years but can do so again now.
I would very much like to make contact with you and have sent PMs this evening.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best Wishes
David
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I don't know if you're still searching for Edward Foley as your post is 3 years old now, but I am a direct descendant of Edward Foley. He was my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather.
There are still quite a few Foleys in West Bromwich, and in fact a distant cousin of mine on the Foley side is still in the Canal barge business.
In 1861 Edward was on a barge in Cheadle, Staffordshire called "The Rifle Man", his wife Rebecca (nee Reeves) is not with him at this time, but he has four of the children with him (Eliza, Emma, Phoebe and Joseph). I believe Rebecca was not with him at this time as my Great-Great Grandfather (George) was born around this time. My Great-Grandfather was Samuel Foley, who died aged 46. Three of Samuel's children are still alive, including my Grandmother.
I am still researching and haven't gone back to 1851 but will post again when I have more information.
Just out of interest, what is your connection with the Foleys?
My tree is on Ancestry.co.uk
Annerley - I hope you return to read this at some stage - my understanding is that Samuel emigrated to Australia and eventually died in New Zealand.
Best Wishes
David
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I have confirmed links back to the Foley family of boatpeople who are recorded in the 1871 census in West Bromwich as:
Edward Foley, 54, Boatman, born Kingswinford
Rebecca Foley 51, Boatwoman, born Coleshill (?)
Keziah Foley, 19, Boatwoman, born Bilston
Phoebe Foley, 16, Boatwoman, born Bilston
Joseph Foley, 14, Boatman, born Bilston
Georrge Foley 11, Boatman, born Dudley
Samuel Foley, 7 Boatman, born Oldbury
David Foley, 4, Boatman, born Bilston.
On the 1871 census, page RG10/2986, there is no mention of any address, boat, vessel, losdging place - nothing!. It is the same on the previous page and the following page.
I have had no joy in any area pre 1871 - any help, information, advice or guidance would be very much appreciated. Edward was my great great grandfather.
Best Wishes
David
:)
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hiya my great grandad is david foley he lived in west brom and i beleive also in aldrige at one point he married a mary ann (duno surname) he was born in 1866 and died in 1957 age 91 i have a pic of his grave stone as my nan olive margaret leese (one of his daughters) and also his wife mary ann died in 1941. they are buried in walsall wood cemetry along with 2 of my nans sisters agnes nash and gladys wright. i am looking for david parents and their parents so i can find where i come from in ireland i beleive some of davids siblings went to the USA and austalia can you help with this??? ;)
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Hi Twink1 I believe David started out life with parents Edward b 1817 Staffs and Rebecca b 1820 Warwickshire, Edward being a Boatman, David in the later census returns is a Coal Miner/Hewer, hopefully someone can fill in the history you require, or if not start your own thread, asking for information on him, all the best in your research.
Keyboard86
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Hi Twink1, have just come across your post about David. From research done by a New Zealand contact she has David married to Mary Annie Smith at West Bromwich who then had children David Leonard Foley 1892, Rebecca 1893-1894, John Edward 1896, Edith Elizabeth 1898 and Eva Annie 1900. David's parents were Edward 1818-1887 and Rebecca Reeves 1821-1916, his parents were Edward c1783-1852 and Mary Jones 1788-1866, his parents were Edward 1759 and Rebecca Cooksey c1754. Again his father was another Edward 1723 and mother Betty Foley 1726. I haven't much info on this last 2 sets of parents apart from children and no firm connection back, especially not to Ireland. In fact I was hoping they were descendants of the famous Foleys who owned the slitting mills and went on to own Witley Court and found Foley college amongst other things!!
good luck with your research and if you find out anything extra please let me know. Traysha
p.s. I am from Edward and Rebecca Cooksey's son Williams line.
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Hi Twink - thanks for posting to this thread and also for the PM. I do not have time right now to give you a more detailed response but will do so in a few days.
I really don't believe that this Foley line came from Ireland by the way. There is no evidence to suggest that which I can find and plenty of evidence to the contrary.
Best Wishes
David
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yes i beleive they were boat people and miners so my dad tells me but the name of the wife of david is MARY ANN and i am getting alsorts of other names coming threw which throws the tree in another direction as the kids dont match up. The kids of david and mary ann are edith olive gladys, agnes kathleen and gwen the kids from one of the marraiages dont match with these i knw these to be correct as olive was my nan gwen is my aunt and godmother and the rest are my aunties i beleive there was a brother named leonard too and i think one called edward.
can anyone help with this line
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My grandad was bernard charles leese from brownhills and his wife (my nan) olive margret leese)
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how do i add a pic as it wont let me
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You cannot post photos on look up boards I'm afraid.
Andrea
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My grandad was bernard charles leese from brownhills and his wife (my nan) olive margret leese)
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these [people are DEAD not living olive would be about 110 by now and dunno when bernard died
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I actually removed details of your own parentage which it is not wise to put on a public forum. We are very conscious that such information can be used for identity theft and have a strict rule about living people.
Andrea
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Annerley - I hope you return to read this at some stage - my understanding is that Samuel emigrated to Australia and eventually died in New Zealand.
Best Wishes
David
Hi David
I had returned to my research after a few years break and came across your post. Sorry about the very late reply!
The Samuel Foley who moved to N. Zealand is the son of Edward Foley & Rebecca Reeves.
My great-grandfather Samuel Foley (b. 1888 d. 1934) lived his whole life in West Brom and is the g-son of Edward & Rebecca (his father was their 8th child George Foley b. abt 1861). Understandable confusion with all these Foleys!
Yes our family is still in the West Mids, my g-grandf. Samuel had 9 kids, unfortunately only one is still alive now.
Regarding Edward (b. 1818 Dudley) & Rebecca Reeves (b. 1821 Foleshill) my findings are:
10th Apr 1837
Edward & Rebecca marry:Tipton.
14th Jun 1838
1st child Mary Ann b.Sedgley (Bap. 2/9/1838 Dudley)
Abt. 1840
2nd child Maria b.Dudley
1841 Census
Dark Lane, Sedgley
1843
3rd child Eliza b.Dudley
28th Mar 1844
Maria & Eliza baptised: Dudley
2nd April 1848
Maria baptised again:Christ Church, Coseley. Odd but guess she was ill as she died that same month age 7
1st Qtr 1849
4th child Emma b. Dudley
1851 Census - 30th Mar
Can’t find Edward, Rebecca, Eliza, or Emma. Missed by enumerator as travelling canals? Mary Ann (13), in Foleshill, Warwks, servant to Samuel Smith (Master Weaver)
2nd Qtr 1881
5th child Kezia b.Dudley
3rd Qtr 1853
6th child Phebe b. Dudley
16th April 1854
Emma, Kezia & Phebe baptised: Coseley
1st Qtr 1856
7th child Joseph b.Dudley - can’t find baptism
1861 Census
Edward
On barge (The Rifleman) - canals in Cheadle (transporting goods b/w Black Country & Potteries) w. Eliza (17), Emma (13), Phoebe (7) & Joseph (5)
Rebecca
St. George's Hospital, Wolverhampton? Error on the census? "Rebecca Fowler, Boatwoman, Married, Age 42, b. Warwks N.K".
Older Children
Mary Ann (Rhodes):Sedgley - Keziah (age 10) with her.
1861
8th child George born. Can’t find birth record.
1863
9th child Samuel born. Can’t find birth record.
30th Aug 1863
George & Samuel, baptised - Oldbury
4th Qtr 1866
10th child David b. Dudley. Can’t find baptism.
1871 Census
Rebecca & Edward
Still boat people on canals in NE West Brom w. Keziah (19), Phoebe (16), Joseph (14), George (11), Samuel (7) & David (5)
Older Children
Mary Ann (Rhodes) - Sedgley
Eliza (Holland) - canals in Pasturefields, Staffs. Keziah with them so was recorded twice.
Emma (Hale) married a boatman - Wednesbury - Joseph (Boatman,15) with her, so was also recorded twice.
1881 Census
Rebecca & Edward
No longer boat people. Edward (labourer) - Hill Top, West Brom w. Samuel (16) & David (14) & g-daur Emma Hale (5)
Older Children
Mary Ann (Rhodes) - Sedgley
Eliza (was Holland now Tatton - 1st husband d.1876 & remarried another boatman in 1878) - Stanley Moss (Leek)
Emma (Hale) - West Brom - no longer boat people - husband’s a waggoner
Kezia (Cowhern) - married a boatman - Old Forge (West Brom)
Phebe (Hale) - West Brom NE
Joseph - Dudley - coal miner
George - can’t find him
8th Feb 1887
Joseph died West Brom, age 30
30th Apr 1887
Edward Foley died aged 68, Rebecca widowed age 66
Jul 1890
Kezia (Coworn) died West Brom, age 40
1891 Census
Rebecca
W. Phoebe (Hale) - Hill Top, West Brom
Other Children
Mary Ann (Rhodes) - Sedgley
Eliza (Tatton) - Stanley Moss (Leek). Husband's a boatman.
Emma (Hale) - Wednesbury
George - Hill Top, West Brom - boatman
Samuel - can’t find record - in N. Zealand?
David - can’t find record
1901 Census - 31st Mar
Rebecca
W. Phoebe (Hale) in Neath, Wales
Other Children
Mary Ann (Rhodes) widowed - Tipton
Eliza (Tatton) widowed - Stanley Moss (Leek). Boatwoman & employer
Emma (Hale) in Moxley, Wednesbury
George - Hill Top, West Brom - Labourer
Samuel - ? N. Zealand
David - coal miner - Aldridge
1911 Census
Rebecca
W. Emma (Hale) - 133 Vicarage Rd, Wednesbury
Other Children
Mary Ann (Rhodes) - Willenhall
Eliza (Tatton) - Stanley Moss (Leek). No longer a boatwoman.
Phoebe (Hale) widowed - Neath, Wales
George widower - Hill Top, West Brom - Waggoner (Iron Works)
Samuel - N.Zealand?
David - coal miner - Walsall Wood
30th October 1916
Rebecca died aged 97 at 133 Vicarage Road, Wednesbury.
If anyone spots any mistakes in the above or has any further information on this line it would be great to hear from you. My tree is on Ancestry.co.uk.
Annerley