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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: MissySoo on Monday 21 May 12 20:33 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for information on Mary Pakeman born abt 1824 in Sutton on the Hill, Derbyshire. Father Charles Pakeman, mother Harriet Chaddock? She married Mark Hunt from Hilton in 1873 at St Michaels church, Sutton on the Hill.
I would like to confirm her parents details and her DOB and DOD (as Mary Hunt poss death reg'd Sept qtr 1885 Shardlow district).
Can anyone help please?
Many thanks
Soo
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Hi,
Baptism record of Mary Pakeham from Family Search -
Mary Pakeman
baptism 08 Aug 1824,SUTTON ON THE HILL,DERBY,ENGLAND
father's name: Charles Pakeman
mother's name: Harriet
C05951-1
JJ
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Hi JJ
Thank you for the speedy reply!
Soo
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I was having a nosey around the Sutton on the Hill records..as is my wont..becasue i have met the PAKEMANS elsewhere in my long history og derbyshire research.
I wondered if you had any reason to believe that CHARLES PAKEMAN might have been married before he married Harriett???? There are several Pakeman families in and around Sutton. Including a Charles and Hannah who had a couple of children a few years before 1824........both Charles's are labourers from dutton.....I do have the other Pakemans if you want them...............yhey're probably related......
Derek.
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Hi Derek,
To be perfectly honest I hadn't thought that Charles might have been married before Harriet. I did some IGI research on BMD's for the Pakeman clan of Sutton and I came to the conclusion that there seems to be 3 sibling or cousin lines with families in the village at the same time - Charles, Francis and William and their spouses/children. I didn't find anything at the time that hinted Charles may have had an earlier wife. There is a Charles married to Hannah (nee Tunstall??) but their first child was born 1802 and my Charles I think was born abt 1797. Somehow I dont think he's the same one lol ...
Soo
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No..I'm wrong..there were two different Charles'..yours was baptised 06.12.1797 son of Charles and Mary..married Harriett Chaddock 2.09.1822 at Doveridge.
The other Charles Pakeman married Hannah Tunstall at Sutton in 1802.
Derek
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Hi Soo
Burials
Charles Pakeman 3 April 1868 aged 72 at Sutton.
Can't see anything for Harriett at the moment
Do you have the full version of the marriage for Mary?
Mary Pakeman, full, spin, servant of Sutton, father Charles Pakeman, Labourer
Mark Hunt,20, bac, Labourer of Sutton, father Henry Hunt, Labourer
Witnesses were Josiah Hunt & Sarah Whiting
Carol
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me again
This could be Harriett's burial
Harriett Pakeman 10 Sept 1876 aged 83 abode Hilton, buried at Sutton on the Hill.
Carol
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Hi,
There is a Mark Hunt burial 11/6/1873 in Hilton-aged 45.
Mary Hunt burial 24/3/1892 in Hilton-aged 67.
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Many thanks to you all ! ;D
Derek - I may pick your brain about other Derbyshire family tree's when I can get the paperwork from other's in my immediate family sorted and know what needs to be looked into further (if thats ok with you?)
Sunflower - thank you! The info that you have found really helps me with the Chaddock line. I had come across the surname "Whiting" on some paperwork before but did not know how it related to the Hunts - now I do :)
Meercat - yes I also found Marks early death (the male Hunts being a bit easier to find for some reason in the records) but it has been confirming Mary's death details that I was struggling with (Mary Hunt is such a popular name lol) so once again thank you.
You guys rock!
Soo
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Soo.by all means..
Derek.
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Many thanks Derek.
Could I take you up on the offer of the other Pakeman details when you have a free moment?? (There's no hurry at all as I've got loads on my to do list ) ;D It would be interesting to pick up the extended family for Charles etc.
Soo
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A few more snippet's incase you haven't already got them
This looks like Charles's parents marriage
Charles Pakeman of Sutton on the Hill & Mary Gregson of Twyford at Twyford 25 Sept 1794 by licence
Charles baptised 6 Feb 1774 to Francis Pakeman & Mary.
at Sutton on the Hill
Francis Pakeman m Mary Dakin by Banns 19 April 1773 at Sutton on the Hill
witnessed by John Brown & George Brassington
(The George Brassington who was a witness was my husbands 5 x gt grandfather. Francis Pakeman was witness at this wedding in 1766)
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Many thanks for the info which confirms what I had found but was not sure about (the Gregson surname in particular.) It does show with your husbands ancestor that is a small world that we still live in today :)
I had a look at Sutton on the Hill on earthmap and was very pleasantly suprised to find that a) the village hasn't changed that much in almost 200 years and b) the house where Charles jnr lived in 1839 with his family still exists. I can feel a day trip coming on!
Once again thanks for all your help. I'm off now to have a spell on IGI .... wish me luck with the new and "improved" site.
Soo
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Hi Soo..I have (I hope) replied to your PM..but I had forgotten just where your Thread was....I see now that the HARRIET CHADDOCK marriage is the correct one.........would be interewsted in your response to the baptism at Doveridge of Charles Chaddock......four month before she married Charles Pakeman....
In case you don't knoe..Harriet Chaddock was baptised at Doveridge 26.06.1793 daughter of Thomas and Mary..and she married Charles Pakeman at Doveridge 23.09.1822..........
Derek.
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Hi Derek,
Just PM'd you re Pakemans - however I had no idea about Charles Chaddock! I have been trying to find out more about Harriet but even with a not so common surname, I have been having difficulty locating any info about her further than her parents.
I found 2 possible christening for Thomas -one the 29th March 1767 at Doveridge and the second on the 4th December 1768 in Ashford. He married Mary (possibly Farel ??) but again thats tentative.
Thats another branch for me to try and tie down sometime in the future lol.
Ttfn
Soo
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Hello again Soo....here are your CHADDOCKS..Source Doveridge Parish records:-.......
JAMES CHADDOCK married HANNAH (don't know where or when circa 1755..they had the following children:-
Mary 19.09.1756
Sarah 13.05.1759
Elizabeth 25.10.1761
Hannah 29.06.1764
THOMAS 29.03.1767.........who married Mary..a couple of possible but cannot confirm as yet....'their children were:
Allsteel 19.02.1792 who married Susannah WOOLEY 20.02.1812 ad had five children
HARRIET 26.06.1793 who married CHARLES PAKEMAN 12.05.1822
Sarah 13.09.1795
John 06.05.1798..died 27.06.1800
Hannah 17.05.1801
Samuel 01.08.1802
George 21.10.1804
John 15.02.1808
Anne 05.05.1811
I'm assuming you have all you need for later Pakemans..or Chaddocks......
There are two deathes for MARY CHADDOCK..either of who, cold be Thomas' wife:-
Mary Chaddock buried 17.12.1850 aged 85 (birth 1765?)
Mary Chaddock buried 03.05.1827 aged 75 (birth 1752?)
some marriages..may or may not be relevant:
Hannah 26.04.1790 to James Needing
Mary 27.10.1800 to William Dicken
Mary 29.04.1811 to John Billinge
Sarah 03.02.1818 to Edward Bowring
William 04.03.1828 to Mary Brown
Harriet daughter of john 22.08.1863 to Henry Holbrook Owen
CHARLES CHADDOCK 1822 is definitely the son of Harriet..again in Doveridge PR's....just a few months before she married Charles....the link is inescapable....he may have died in infancy..
Only too pleased to help further if required.
Derek
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This looks like James & Hannah marriage
Jas Chaddock m Hannah Hudson 26 Sept 1752 at Doveridge.
Carol
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Hello!
Derek - Thank you so much for all the info!!! Funnily enough I came across Allsteel Chaddock last night on IGI but wasn't too sure about his relationship to my tree. I also managed to find Charles after asking you about him - sorry!!
:-[
Carol - Thank you for letting me know Hannah's maiden name. Thats another branch to add to the neverending list ;D
I never knew just how addictive this family tree research can be !!
Once again thanks for all your help with these queries. No doubt there will be more.
Regards
Soo
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Soo..you mentioned the name "Whiting"..in passing.....there are a number of late 19th century Whitings at Doveridge.........teehee ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Don't say that !!!
No W's in the family yet but knowing my luck there's bound to be a branch starting with that letter lurking somewhere waiting to be found ...... just not quite yet
;D
Soo