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Title: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: bramhallbill on Sunday 20 May 12 15:22 BST (UK)
Were there any half brothers or sisters of the Duke and who was his father?
I have seen letters referring to the father as "old JR"
I guess people living on estates would say they were related to xyz......
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 20 May 12 15:37 BST (UK)
This is the sort of question for Google, you should find plenty of information that way.

I can say that there has been two first Dukes, the title became extinct and was recreated at a later date.

Jebber
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: lisamc10 on Sunday 20 May 12 15:47 BST (UK)
all the information is listed on wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vane,_1st_Duke_of_Cleveland
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 20 May 12 15:53 BST (UK)
Better not to rely on wiki, it is one of those sites fed by the general public, with plenty of misinformation. Better to use wiki as a kicking off point, and then look for further afield for verified information.
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 20 May 12 16:07 BST (UK)
From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography
William Harry Vane, first duke of Cleveland (1766–1842) was the son of Henry Vane, second earl of Darlington (1726/7–1792) and Margaret (bap. 1733, d. 1800), daughter of Robert Lowther and sister of James Lowther, first earl of Lonsdale. The marriage produced three sons and three daughters

Stan
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 20 May 12 16:18 BST (UK)
See also http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mls/

Stan
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: bramhallbill on Sunday 20 May 12 23:22 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Russell was his mistress and he later married her.There were children but it is difficult to find the information......
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 20 May 12 23:32 BST (UK)
"After his first wife's death in London in June 1807, Cleveland married as his second wife, Elizabeth Russell (c. 1777–1861), daughter of Robert Russell, on 27 July 1813. There were no children from this marriage. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vane,_1st_Duke_of_Cleveland
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: bramhallbill on Monday 21 May 12 11:29 BST (UK)
There was a clergyman claiming to be one of Elizabeth Russell's sons living in Devon, Dorset or Cornwall. But these links were removed off the internet over time.
Keep an open mind?
Who knows!
Title: Re: Who was the first Duke of Cleveland?
Post by: jim1 on Monday 21 May 12 16:40 BST (UK)
Info here:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p2541.htm#i25401