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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: apanderson on Sunday 20 May 12 14:42 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for James Andrew, born c1829, son of James and Ann Andrew (nee Cadger).
James died 4th November age 45 at West Calder and as this is the only document I can find so far, I've been basing my search on the parents being correct, but am aware that the informant may have been wrong.
I've found him in 1861 living in Bo'ness, West Lothian age 32, a Furnace Manager married to Jane (Hart) with their 5 children. His birthplace is transcribed as 'Maines', Aberdeenshire.
I can't find a birth on either IGI or SP of a James Andrew with parents James and Ann, neither can I find him either living with/not with his parents in either 1841 or 1851.
I believe his mum, Ann Cadger may have been the daughter of James Cadger & Margaret Walker (listed on IGI as being born/christened in Old Deer 30th January 1806)
I've tried Ancestry transcriptions, freecen and everything else I can think of, but haven't been able to come up with anything definitive.
Any suggestions anyone?
Anne :)
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Hi Anne ,
There is a James ANDREY born c1826 with partner Jane in Bo'ness West Lothian in 1851(SP)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY75-TQG
ev
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Thanks very much ev - here was me thinking I had tried every variant of Andrew I could think of! :)
I had found his marriage to Jane Hart on the IGI which I forgot to add.
I've had fun and games with this family all round - on Alexander Andrew's 1877 MC (son of James Andrew & Jane Hart) his mother is listed as Jane Brownlie Hempseed who was actually his grandmother (his maternal grandmother) rather than Jane Hart!
Must go and see if I can find any James Andreys in 1841 now! ::)
Anne
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Hi Anne
Another surname to look for............................AUDREY :o
Just found them on the 1851 census disc for West Lothian.
After many variations of Andrew(s) I left out the surname and looked for first name James, 25 years old +/- 3 years in Bo'ness and found the family.
Needle in a haystack comes to mind.
Cheers
Jean
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Audrey! Yet another variant I didn't think of - thank you Jean!!
Found James, Jane and their wee 4 month son James in 1851 transcribed on Ancestry as Andrey thanks to ev's message earlier.
I've now tried both Andrey & Audrey in 1841 but unless I'm not seeing them ...... ?
There's a couple of 'Andrew' possibilites, but typically, none of them are still living with parents (Ann & James).
Anne
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In 1841 it is likely that James would have been working, & maybe living, away from home. Did his death certificate give his father's occupation? Was his mother's name down as Ann Andrew m.s. Cadger? Can you tell me why you think she may have been the daughter of James & Margaret (nee Walker) Cadger? Were there any family members at the baptisms of James & Jane's children? Sorry for so many questions!
Have you viewed the original censuses on scotlandspeople? I looked up the 1861 census as I don't know of a place in Aberdeenshire called Maines. Having seen it, I think it reads Slaines - which should be spelled Slains.As the 1851 census gives his place of birth as shire, Aberdeen I'm wondering if it actually reads Slains. What do you think? Have you managed to find James in the 1871 census? It would be interesting to see what his place of birth was!
Regard,
flst
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Hi flst,
Don't be sorry about the questions!! I've got millions spinning round in my head. ;D
Yes, it is entirely possible that James (not Andrew) was working away and not with his parents in 1841.
James' DC (4th Nov. 1870, West Calder, West Lothian) gave his father as James Andrew, Farmer (deceased) and mother as Ann Andrew m.s. Cadger.
My reason for thinking Ann might have been the daughter of James & Margaret is simply that she's the only Ann Cadger I can find on the IGI.
I have the OPR's for the births of Janet Hart Andrew in 1851 and John Andrew in 1853, both in Bo'ness - no witnesses.
Also have the OPR for the banns/marriage of James & Janet Hart in Bo'ness in 1849. (Both of 'this' Parish)
No, I haven't looked at the Census image yet - so that's a good suggestion but he won't be on the 1871 as he died in 1870.
Anne
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Meant to say ....
Also have the OPR birth for James Junior, 1851 Bo'ness, mother Jean Hart (rather than Jane), again, no witnesses.
Anne
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Looked again on SP for a birth of a James Andrew* between 1824 - 1831 (leaving parents blank) in Aberdeenshire - 2 listed, none in Slain(e)s.
James Andrew born 20.01.1827 to Alexander Andrew & Margaret Webster in New Deer
James Andrew born 20.06.1827 to Alexander Andrew & Mary Gray in Kemnay.
Anne
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Hi Anne
I thought there might have been a (?re)marriage for Ann Cadger after the birth of James. Found this family, summarised here www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cheyne/p6535.htm Busy man this Alexander Shirran, this Ann Cadger was his second or third wife...and went on to marry one more time ::)
With this Ann Cadger having died pre 1851, hard to say. She is aged 30 in 1841 which is always so unreliable :-\
More notes from other people's research here http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ABERDEEN/2003-12/1071194196 and http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ABERDEEN/2003-10/1067179569 (a number of people have their eye as parents James CADGER of Skelmuir, Old Deer and Margaret WALKER ;D)
Monica
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In the first post you said that James died aged 45. As no year was given I assumed that it was 1829 + 45 = 1874!
I bet there were many Ann Cadgers but not every one will appear on the I.G.I. :(
I'll keep on searching.
flst
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flst - sorry to have lead you astray - all these 'c' dates drive you nuts, don't they! (and no doubt a few fibs or don't knows here and there).
Monica - I'll check out the links - thank you for finding them!
Anne :)
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Quick update ....
After looking at the Cheyne Family site - it lists Alexander Shirran as marrying Ann Cadger on 4th July 1835.
The only spanner in the works there is that she's not listed as re-married or deceased on son James' DC in 1870.
The informant of James (Senior's) death was his son James (age 19'ish) who might never have known his grandmother and if it was a case she had remarried - maybe the details were never discussed? He may not have known whether she was alive or dead let alone Mrs something else!
Anne
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Hello
Did you ever find a Birth Certificate for James Andrew? He was my 3rd Great-Grandfather.
Thanks
Craig Jordan
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Did you ever find a Birth Certificate for James Andrew? He was my 3rd Great-Grandfather.
Craig, there isn't going to be a birth certificate to find. James Andrew was born in 1829 or thereabouts, which is long before birth certificates were introduced in 1855. As no baptism record appears to have survived, the chances are that there is no document marking his arrival in this world.
Fortunately Scottish death certificates tell you the names of the deceased's parents, including the mother's maiden surname, so in this case the death certificate is the best bit of evidence you are going to get for his parentage.