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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: chezbrunetfrance on Saturday 19 May 12 17:40 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to trace my great-grandfather, Fred's, family and have been able to find that he was born to a John and Jane Holden. On looking thru census records I see that they also had an Annie who was an invalid and a Mary E. Fred was born in Bolton in 1869 but I have been unable to trace John and Jane's marriage. They appear on the censuses for 1871, 1881, 1891, (then John and Annie disappears) and Jane and Mary E are on the 1901 census but no trace of them on the 1911 census. Fred was married to a Mary Barlow who then went on to have 5 children with my grandmother, Emily, being the eldest. They were both also publicans for a time having the Lord Byron and the Egerton Arms in Bolton. I am hoping that someone can find out Fred's mother's maiden name so I can trace her family and also John's family. I have also been unable to find any registered deaths (except for Fred's) for John, Jane, Annie and Mary E. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would be extremely grateful.
Regards
Chezbrunet
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Hi have you discounted this possible marriage:-
John Holden to (on same page) Jane Harris Dec qtr 1867 Bolton 8c 351 ?
Keyboard86
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The couple mentioned by Keyboard were married in St John, Bolton
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Hi, were these on the bmd's registers
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sorry pressed the wrong button before I finished. Are they on the bmd or parish registers ?
Chez
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Hi Chez
Look on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Births marriages and deaths at local offices.
Su
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Marriage;
02 November 1867, St Johns, Bolton Le Mooors, Lancashire
John HOLDEN, Father RICHARD Holden
Jane HARRIS, Father JOSEPH Harris
Both Single
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Trish :)
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Thxs, that gives me some place to start.
regards
Chez
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1841 they are under HILDEN in Bolton Le Moors;
Richard Hilden, 30, Finisher
Ann Hilden, 20
James Hilden, 6
JOHN Hilden, 1
All born in County
HO107/536/2/Bolton Le Moors
1851 we have;
Richard 1809, Westhoughton, Occp Bleacher
Ann 1817, L Bolton
James 16
JOHN 11
Mary 8
Richard 6
Henry 3
1861 John is still at home, unm, Occp ? at Bleachworks
Richard/Ann have 3 more Children
RG9/2821/20/33
Probable Marriage from Lans OPC;
Marriage: 28 Jun 1835 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Richard HOLDEN - of This parish
Ann RAWSTHORNE - of This parish
Trish :)
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Wow that is absolutely fantastic. I'm still rather new at finding out family history and I thank you very much for the help you are giving me.
regards
chez
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Your welcome Chez :)
Check out all the Census for Richard/Ann and if you get stuck just reply on here.
I'm in Sydney so its late here and am going to bed (nearly 4.00am!)
See if you can find Jane with Parents 1861 etc.
Talk to you later,
Trish :)
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ok will do. Goodnight.
Chez
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Hi I believe that the death of John Holden could be this one:-
John Holden June qtr 1891 Bolton 8c 264 aged 52
Keyboard86
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Thxs I look at that. Its quite fascinating when you start to look into your family history. I am completely hooked. Thxs again
Chez
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Wow that is absolutely fantastic. I'm still rather new at finding out family history and I thank you very much for the help you are giving me.
regards
chez
Hi Chez- Richard Holden was my 3x Great grand father I have a few photo's of the Holden's.
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Hi Pete 51
Which of Richard's children does your family come from as mine relate to John who was Fred's father. I would love to see some photographs. I love learning about this and it is also nice to welcome extended family. My father only knows about his immediate family and it has been really interesting to find out how the family evolved. I sincerely hope that you get back in touch. Thanks for the message.
Kind regards
Chez
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Hi Chez -My Link to the family is Richard 1845-1895 he married Emma Hardman. His father also Richard 1809-1876 was married to Anne Bratherton.
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1841 they are under HILDEN in Bolton Le Moors;
Richard Hilden, 30, Finisher
Ann Hilden, 20
James Hilden, 6
JOHN Hilden, 1
All born in County
HO107/536/2/Bolton Le Moors
1851 we have;
Richard 1809, Westhoughton, Occp Bleacher
Ann 1817, L Bolton
James 16
JOHN 11
Mary 8
Richard 6
Henry 3
1861 John is still at home, unm, Occp ? at Bleachworks
Richard/Ann have 3 more Children
RG9/2821/20/33
Probable Marriage from Lans OPC;
Marriage: 28 Jun 1835 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Richard HOLDEN - of This parish
Ann RAWSTHORNE - of This parish
Trish :)
Hi Pete51, so is the above marriage a wrong un!
Keyboard86
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Yes Keyboard. This is the marriage-
Marriage: 29 Mar 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England Richard Holden - (X), Crofter, this Parish [Deane] Ann Bratherton - (X), Spinster, this Parish [Deane]
Pete.
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Yes Keyboard. This is the marriage-
Marriage: 29 Mar 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England Richard Holden - (X), Crofter, this Parish [Deane] Ann Bratherton - (X), Spinster, this Parish [Deane]
Pete.
Hi again his occupation from Crofter to a Bleacher and working in a Bleachworks is odd?
The other shown above needs to be looked at, or was maiden name of mother from birth certs?
Keyboard86
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Richard was born in Westhoughton 5 miles away from Mill Hill, Bolton, and no doubt he would've been a crofter as Westhoughton was a farming community. Any one who lived in the Mill hill area would've worked in the bleach works. Anne had a sister called Pricilla Bratherton and they also had a daughter called Pricilla Holden a very unusual name for that area.
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:) OK going with that, so on which census does Priscilla appear with Richard/Ann & family, or did she die young?
Keyboard 86
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Pricilla Holden was born in 1850 and died in 1851.
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Pricilla Holden was born in 1850 and died in 1851.
:) Once again then, have you confirmed the maiden name from the purchase of that birth certificate or any other of family, you could well be right, but are you certain?!
Keyboard86
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On top of Richards grave stone it says Richard Holden of Mill Hill and buried in with him are 4 members of his family Plus his wife Anne, Born 1817 Died 9th April 1898. I'm getting there ;)
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Priscilla Holden
Age:
10/12
Burial Date:
9 Feb 1851
Parish:
Little Bolton, All Saints
Parish as it Appears:
All Saints, Little Bolton
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Pricilla Holden was born in 1850 and died in 1851.
:) Once again then, have you confirmed the maiden name from the purchase of that birth certificate or any other of family, you could well be right, but are you certain?!
Keyboard86
From Lancs BMD 1850
HOLDEN Priscilla Little Bolton Bolton mothers maiden name BRATHERTON LB/19/20
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I've seen that Jan, 10 months old. :)
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Jan 57 You're a star! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Hi Pete 51
I've looked at your picture of the gravestone, have you been able to verify where Walter comes from? On the stone it says beloved grandson died age 7 on 31/1/1883 which puts his birth 1875/1876 so he should have appeared on the 1881 census, but have had no luck with that yet. There are two Walters on the BMD list for that time one in 1875 and one in 1876. I am hoping that you know. :)
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Chez
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Hi again,
just seen your message re Richard being born in Westhoughton and being a 'crofter'. Did you know that the term 'crofter' can also mean working in the making of cloth. After the cloth was bleached it was put out to dry on huge frames set out on open land which were called 'crofts' and if he was a man who did this his job description would have been 'crofter' and as most of his family worked in the cloth industry which was the biggest employer in that area then it could stand to reason that he was that type of crofter.
If you knew this then obviously I am preaching to the converted as they say.
Hope to talk soon
Chez
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Hi Chez, Young Walter was the illegitimate son of Emma Holden b 1857.
I've sent you a PM.
Regards Pete.