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HI I am trying to find my lost WARD family in Warrenpoint I have a marriage of William Ward to Elizabeth or Lizzie Hanna in Warrenpoint 1873 trying to find any children of that marriage. I was told Lizzie died William married again to Mary Byrns also trying to find if there was any children from that marriage . I have been searching for years for my family any help would be so greatfull recived thank you
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Possible death for Elizabeth Ward: Registered Newry Oct – Dec 1880 Volume 1, page 563. Est year of birth 1850.
Marriage of William Ward and Mary Byrne was registered in Newry Oct – Dec 1881, Volume 1, page 1067.
No father's name in the records for either of William's 2 marriages, suggesting he was illegitimate.
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there's a possible extracted birth for one child of William and Elizabeth on FamilySearch
Name: Jane Ward
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1874
Birthplace: Ireland
Parents : William Ward & Elizabeth Hanna
Ref :v 16 p 765
see : https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPM1-Q8R
The extracted record doesn't include a specific location, but the references match an Index record for the same name in Newry registration district, which covers Warrenpoint.
see : https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB9Q-44S
Shane
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??? ??? ???Thank you so much for your reply I have found William Ward father and mother they were William Ward who married Bridget O HARE he also had a brother called Patrick Ward how married MARY Havern so maybe I had got the wrong William Ward hit another brick-wall thank you once again for taking the time to help me
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I checked out the 1901 irish census for Ward in Warrenpoint and found over 30 Wards including a couple of William and several Mary , two appear to be living at the same address i.e. The square, but are not the right birth dates, however please use the source if you haven't already
good luck, JimG
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HI Jim thanks for your reply have checked out the 1901 census I will kept digging one day I will find them thanks again :) :) :) :)
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There were two baptisms in Clonallon(Warrenpoint) parish for children of Wm Ward and Elizabeth Hanna who were married in 1873. There were (1) Jane baptised on 12/12/1874 and (2) Sarah baptised on 17/5/1878. On a quick check there are no baptism records for children to Wm Ward and Mary Byrns. Is it possible that Mary was from some other parish or place and that any baptisms would be registered there?
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Tradition was for the marriage to be in the bride’s church and thereafter she’d attend her husband’s. So baptisms would be in his rather than hers. However that was not a universal rule, especially in the case of mixed marriages where sometimes the sons went to the husband’s and the daughters to the wife’s.
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In some places it was the local custom for marriage to take place in 'bride's church' and thereafter couple attended 'husband's church' but their first child would be baptised in the church where the marriage took place (bride's church).
Also, women sometimes went back home to mother for birth of a child and then baptism might take place in bride's church if this was the case.
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Much obliged for that info!
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In relation to Elwynn Souter's reply re the father not being named on the marriage cert and therefore, he could be illegitimate, if those records were found on the AncestryIreland database and the father's name was not given, then it meant that the record was taken from the church records and not the civil register.
Father's names are not given on marriage records in the RC church and therefore, don't appear on their database. It looks like Ancestry Ireland do not have the civil record on their files. You need to order the marriage cert to verify that Wiliam's father was William Ward, but I am sure that you are right that his parents were William Ward and Bridget O'Hare.
I can only find a marriage for a William Ward and Mary Rooney in 1881 in Warrenpoint (on Emerald Ancestors) but Ancestry / Family Search does have a Mary Byrne on the same page and vol. no along with 4 others. It might be that Mary Byrne was a widow (having previously been married to a Byrne) - widows usually married again under their married name, not their maiden name. Again, it might be worthwhile getting that marriage cert to establish the bride's name. In Warrenpoint, the surname was spelt Burns, Byrne and Byrnes, so look out for that when you are doing your research.
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James Ward baptised 1 Aug.1829 Warrenpoint Catholic Church- parents were William Ward & Bridget O'Hare.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/W/WardKW.htm (last entry on page)
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I would like to thank everybody who took the time and the trouble to help me find the lost Ward family thanks again Amanda :D :D :D