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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Ibis on Monday 14 May 12 12:45 BST (UK)
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Researching John Dwyer bc:1776 Tipperary Ireland. Sent to Australia in 1802 as an Irish dissident aboard 'Atlas 11'
Married Elizabeth Gurney 1813 NSW Australia and they had 9 children.
Lived in Appin NSW where they had a farm named 'Doon'
Looking for any information in Ireland regarding John's parents and any siblings.
Any help on where to go to for research in Ireland would be much appreciated.
Thanks
L
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Have a look at Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) and My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html).
An earlier thread someone started looking for same person (Tipperary board)-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,4508
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Thank you for that information. Will give it a try.
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Hi,
There is a townland (a small administrative area) called Doon in Co. Tipperary about 20 miles east of Limerick.
Regards
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Hi, John Dwyer is my GGGG grandfather. I have a little information about his family. Not too much though as I am still in the process of researching. He was born in Kilkenny on 10 June 1776 and died at Appin on 19 Sep 1844.
His father was Patrick Dwyer and his mother Eleanor Comerford. I have no details as yet about Patrick but Eleanor was born Moyne, Tipperary, Ireland in 1755 and died in 1810 in Clonmel, Tipperary.
This information I received from another ancestry.com member so I can't guarantee that it is 100% accurate.
I have recently visisted John and Elizabeth's graves at Appin and I have a photograph of Doon Farm if you are interested.
I an a descendant of John and Elizabeth's son, Thomas.
Leisa
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Hi Leisa,
John Dwyer was my gggGrandfather. John & Elizabeth's daughter Catherine was my ggGrandmother.
I have been researching this line for a while and have various snippets of information. Currently I am trying to find a record of John & Elizabeth's marriage. I could not find any record online at NSW BDM however have found information in some papers my Mum had that indicated they were married at St Phillip's Church Sydney 17 July 1813 and that the first two children Tomas & John were baptized there also.
I plan to make a trip to St Phillip's in the near future to see if I can find these records.
As a child I used to visit Appin with my family and my Grandfather would always take me for a stroll through St Bede's Churchyard at Appin while he paid his respects to his mother and other relatives that were buried there.
Perhaps if I find the marriage certificate it will verify the information about John's father and mother that you have, and maybe John's birthplace, which I have as Tipperary, although I'm not sure just how much information would be on an early church record.
John must have been a very interesting man as I believe after his absolute pardon he became District Constable at Appin. He also apparently had land at The Rocks in Sydney.
I would be interested in the photo of Doon Farm. In the little printed story my Mum had there is a very blurred picture of Doon Farm before its demolition and it would be nice to see a photo.
Lovely to hear from you and perhaps we can keep in contact by email if you like.
Regards,
Lynette
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Hi Lynette,
That would be great. I would love to keep in touch.
I think you may be right about John and Elizabeth being married in St Phillips Church, Sydney. Thomas, their son and my GGG grandfather was baptised in that church. I have attached the certificate for you to look at. It makes sense that they got married in 1813 and Thomas was born that same year so he was baptised in the same place ! I have been told that it was the only church around at that time.
I have also attached some other photos that you might already have, I received them from an ancestry.com member who I have been in contact with who is reseaching the Dwyer family also. They are of Catherine so you may have seen them before.
I was only able to attach two photos to this message so I will send you another with the picture of Doon Farm and the birth certificate. It was not the greatest photo but it gives you the general idea.
Thanks for getting back to me. Hopefully we can find out more information about the Dwyers.
Leisa
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Hi Lynette,
Here are the other two attachments as promised.
Leisa
Copyright image removed
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Hello Leisa and Lynette
I have just come across your post from 2012 and I am also trying to find more information relating to John Dwyer's family in Ireland. John Dwyer was my 3rd gr grandfather; his son, Thomas, my 2nd gr grandfather and Thomas' son, James Joseph, my 1st gr grandfather. Were either of you able to find any more information on John's family in Ireland? I have a book called John Dwyer 1776-1844 by Suzanne McNamara which is full of fascinating info and pics and it give a little information of his family, but no mention of a father.
I am also frustrated in my search of Thomas' wife, Margaret Mary Shannon/Clynch/D'Arcy. More so though with her mother who I have as Mary Duffy. I'm not convinced though that the surname may be Duffy and have just ordered a certificate for her marriage to James Shannon.
Do you have anything that can help me?
cheers
Jilly
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Hi Jilly,
Just wanted to reply so you know I've seen your post. I'm flat chat for the next 2 weeks so won't be able to get to my records. It's been a while since I've done any more research with the Dwyer branch and I'll have to refresh where I was up to.
The last thing I did was to get a copy of John Dwyers probate packet which was interesting reading.
I have not done any searches of Irish Records as it all seemed a bit hard to do.
I will have a refresh when things settle down here and get back to you with anything I think may be of help in your search.
Regards,
Lynette
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Hi Jilly
Margaret Mary Shannon was my ggg grandmother and I also have no information on her. I have a copy of her death certificate that shows her mother as not known. All I know is that her father was James Shannon and was a sergeant in the Police Force.
Sorry I cannot be of any further help. She seems a bit of a mystery. I have looked into this a little and she is not either Clynch or D'arcy as they are a completely different person. Mary Duffy is the mother of Margaret Clynch/D'arcy, not our Margaret Shannon.
As for John Dwyer's father I have him listed as Patrick Dwyer and his mother as Eleanor Comerford. Unfortunately I don't have any dates for Patrick.
If I ever come across any additional information I will be sure to let you know.
Leisa
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Thanks Lynette and Leisa for such a quick reply. Lynette time is always on our side with this crazy hobby of ours so no urgency . . . . . just whenever you get a spare five minutes.
Leisa I had come to the conclusion that Margaret Shannon was Margaret Clynch. Mary Duffy married John Clynch in 1820, Laurence D'Arcy in 1827 and James Shannon, after Laurence D'Arcy. I figured that since Margaret Shannon was born in 1824 that she was only little when Mary and James Shannon became a couple and she assumed the surname Shannon. Would love to know your thoughts on that one. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree! ;D ;D
This is the information I got from the book I mentioned.
"John Dwyer was born in 1776 in Doon, Limerick. It is believe his mother is Margaret Dwyer of Doon as there is a record of a Margaret Dwyer in the Tithe Applotment Books of 1824, which can be found at the Limerick Ancestry. Margaret Dwyer was mentioned as being a widow who owned a stone house in Doon, in the townland of Toomaline. John had five sisters and one brother; there are no records of his father. At the time of John's trial his mother was living with him at his property in Doon. The earliest written record of John Dwyer was 10 May 1800 in Doon, Limerick. He states his trade as being a stonecutter. John purchased properties in NSW and the name of his house in Appin was Doon. This land in East Bargo was called Toomaline."
I have a copy of John's trial and it states he had 5 sisters and 1 brother therefore I assume his mother is Margaret as mentioned.
Next rainy day (hopefully tomorrow) I'll go through some Irish sites I have and see what I can find.
Cheers
Jilly
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Often the priest gives the townland on these parish records, there are some Dwyers from Doon but it would take a lot of time to work through them
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0260
Unfortunately they there is nothing before 1824.
And there was quite a few Dwyer families in Doon
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g5e/
Perhaps they will be more precise and write Tomaline if you are very lucky
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g5f/
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Hello Dwyer family
We are hoping you are active and see this... there is a facebook group called Condon/Dwyer's of Australia Genealogical Project which was started by John Dwyer, Victoria Australia. His ancestor was Matthew Dwyer from Tipperary, Ireland, born c1795. I know Matthew's sons and daughter moved to Australia as adults in the 1840s, but we are finding connections to lots of different families obviously. The group has lots of Dwyers from different branches of the Dwyer family tree, but we are all helping each other find more info and sharing what we know. We would love you all to join, so we can all find the answers to the mysteries in our family trees.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/197404346643461/
Hope to see you soon :)