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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: biker1 on Monday 14 May 12 08:42 BST (UK)
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Help appreciated - info on Regiment etc
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I think hes a Territorial Soldier but cant Id a Regiment.
He has two good conduct stripes and a wound stripe on bottom photograph.
Ady
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What makes you think Territorial? (I'm new to this so bear with me) are we still talking WW1 years here?
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I think it's Royal Garrison Artillery but it could also be Royal Field Artillery. I am judging this by the shoulder lanyard and belt. Pity there is no cap badge on view.
Anyone else notice the lack of putees in the lower picrure?
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The elongated shoulder title on top photo looks like a Territorial Force one.....Possibly RGA
Ady
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Both Circa WW1 and bottom one looks like hes convalescing after wounds they dont look like uniform trousers ??
Ady
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I agree Ady. Lots of RGA were territorials, plus most RFA uniforms would have had a leather bandolier running from shoulder to waist.
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I agree with him being in the TF for the first photograph. A better scan of the shoulder title should show a T then a number followed by his regiment/corps
In the second he is a Regular as part-timers did not earn good conduct pay. The photographs look to be about ten years apart - if they are of the same man. Also no T in the second photograph.
Ken
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Thank you 'all' for your help so far. Info that I can add if it helps:
All the photos are relations that lived at the time in West Yorkshire - Halifax, Bradford, Keighley and surrounding areas.
I have blown up the first photo best I can and I would say that the shoulder badge does not incorporate a 'T', it certainly has something that stands up-right to one side of the whole badge though.
They are not of the same man, to give a bit of back-ground, the man with the 2 good conduct stripes is the brother of the girl in the first image.
Good point re the trousers/no putees - his trouser do look like serge though?
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Bradford central library has a city Roll of Honour listing lads from the City that served. Its held at the library on microfiche but if you are going to visit id call first as the place is half shut due to health and safety it has addresses and unit served in.
Keighley has a card system listing lots of lads if the appeared in the local papers through obituary,wounding or sometimes enlistments.
Halifax library has West Riding Regiment enlistment rolls but again if you are going to check id phone first.
I thought the trousers may have been "Hospital Blues" bottoms but they dont look light enough maybe hes just not wearing his boots?
Ady
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Heres a TF RGA Shoulder Title (wouldnt say Cornwall though but Yorks :))
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Hi biker1, hope you don't mind me throwing in a suggestion about the lack of putees, but it looks like he might have lost his leg, this would explain why the lack of. Could that be the artificial leg that they were first issued with. Yours lowanslow.
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The first photograph appears to be in a photographic studio with painted scenery in the background. The second photograph may be in an public building of some kind - not so apparent that it is a studio. Both the sitting couple in the second photograph have wedding rings on.
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lowanslow - a good sugestion re the leg? I have a image of him in civvies when he appears to be a little older but he is stood behind his wife (the lady in the photo sat down) so you cant tell if its false or not?
As I dont know the 'man' (its him thats the relation to me by the way) I cant search the WW1 limited records to see if that was the case.
barryd - having the original photo helps me a bit and I can say that it is a 'false' studio backdrop.
They are married - see above.
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Heres a TF RGA Shoulder Title (wouldnt say Cornwall though but Yorks :))
I'd like it to be that 'T' but no matter how many times I study it under the magnifying glass I cant get it to look like that - very frustrating.
What does that square bit of plain sewn cloth represent on the side of his shoulder?
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Squares a Divisional Patch but hard to tell which as we dont know colour.
If the lad had lost a leg then id expect to see him been discharged with SWB or "List" annotated on his Medal Index Card
Ady
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Regarding my 1st photo - after looking under the magnifying glass and trolling through lots of emblems I think the emblem on his shoulder looks very similar to the 11th Hussars.
Is there anything that you learned guys see in the image that could contradict this?
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Hi Biker1
The shoulder title wouldnt be the same as a cap badge.
What was the name of the lad in the first photo? If he served overseas he 99% will have a Medal Index Card on the National Archives site.The MIC will list his units There may be a few lads with similar names but it narrows it down.
Ady
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Hi Biker1
The shoulder title wouldnt be the same as a cap badge.
What was the name of the lad in the first photo? If he served overseas he 99% will have a Medal Index Card on the National Archives site.The MIC will list his units There may be a few lads with similar names but it narrows it down.
Ady
Ady - thanks for dismissing that! I really thought I'd got something of use - back to square 1 with his emblems then.
Unfortunately I don't know his name or hers, all I know is that they get married later (I have a marriage photo in civvies - I presume after the war) of them.
Its her that is the relation some how to me.
In the second photo, that man is the brother of the girl in the first photo, he is married to the girl sat down with him. I don't know his name either, but he and his wife also feature in the first couples marriage photo. The men were obviously friends as man1 was marrying man2's sister.
Man2 will be either a:
William - Robert or Fred (surname) Hollingworth or Hollingsworth
Robert - Arthur W - Cecil H - George H (surname) Graham
Luther - George (surname) Varley
Edwin - Joe (surname) Spencer
Robert (surname) Blacka
I'll now go away and go insane!
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Good evening,
The lack of a bandolier doesn't mean he's not artillery. They are studio shots so he wouldn't have had one to wear whilst at home, only when on service or training.
John915