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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Annie65115 on Sunday 13 May 12 22:10 BST (UK)
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There were lots of JAYES (and lots of alternative spellings) in Enderby/Leicester and I am struggling to unravel them.
My 3xgt-grandfather was John Jeays. He died aged 75 in Leic union workhouse in Oct 1877. I think he was at Pegg St (Jays) in 1841 with his first wife, Sarah, and their children; Ancestry has him as John JONS (but you can see it's Jays or Jeys) in 1851, with wife no 2, Elizabeth, and their daughter Sarah. His father is named as John Jeayes, FWK, on his marraige certificate with Elizabeth. In 1861 he's John Jeayes and living with Sarah at Neale St (from where Sarah got married. I'm sure this is the right family). Ancestry strikes again in 1871, when he was Jeags. Birthplace given as Leicester in 1871 (by workhouse, would they bother to enquire too deeply?); Enderby 1861; Leicester 1851 (where the enumerator has just written "do" all down the line).
There was a John Jayes b Enderby in 1802,son of John and Elizabeth, and I would like to think this is my John. This is the only John Jayes (or any similar surname) in the Enderby PRs baptised around this time.
HOWEVER - in the censuses there is another John Jayes, married to Hannah, b around 1803-6, who stayed in Enderby. He died in Feb 1877, aged 74. I cannot find his marraige anywhere, though the couple's first child was baptised in Enderby in 1830. Hannah was from Northants so maybe they married elsewhere.
I've seen a will of John Jayes, FWK of Enderby dated 1839 (he died 1842 and is the father of one of these younger Johns). He names his children as John (the oldest son), Joseph and Elizabeth. All are described as "of Enderby". He states in the will that 2 of his messauges are occupied by John and Joseph Jayes.
So, is my John J the son of this older John, b 1802? The date fits, the name on his marraige cert fits. But not all his census returns state Enderby as pob, and I don't think he was living in Enderby in 1839 (think he was in Leic city by then). And if that is him, then who is the other John who married Hannah and stayed in Enderby? And if that's not my John -- then who on earth WAS my John?!
I have the Enderby PR copies online and have looked at the fiches too and got no further. I wonder if John and Hannah's marraige (pre1830?) might be key, but I can't find that.
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP! please!
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Have these
Enderby 09-Jul 1809 Banns
Joseph Jayes OTP
Mary Burgess OTP
Enderby 29-Nov 1818 B
Joseph Jayes OTP Wid
Mary Illston OTP Spin
Enderby 20-Sep 1801 B
John Jey OTP
Elizabeth Tebbett OTP
City
Leicester, St. Margaret 03-Dec 1826 B
John Jays OTP Bach
Sarah King OTP Spin
Leicester, St. Margaret 25-Aug 1822 B
John Jeays OTP Bach
Elizabeth Addison OTP Spin
Leicester, St. Mary 07-Oct 1826 B
John Jayes OTP Wid
Catherine Phipps OTP Wid
Not sure about this on
John JAYES of Rushton, bachelor Hannah WATTS otp, spinster 1830 6 Jul Stoke Albany
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Don't know if you have these
Enderby 05-Nov 1821 Banns
Elizabeth Jayes OTP Spin
John Bame OTP Bach
Enderby 18-May 1823 B
Elizabeth Jays OTP Spin
John King OTP Bach
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Trying to help with the city John
Do you have baptisms
JAYES GEORGE JOHN & SARAH 1829 06-May
JAYS ELIZABETH JOHN & SARAH 1830 08-Dec
JAYS ELIZABETH JOHN & SARAH 1832 25-Dec
JAYS WILLIAM JOHN & SARAH 1834 31 Jan
JEYS THOMAS JOHN & SARAH 1835 29-May
JEAYS ELIZA JOHN & SARAH 1837 12-May
JEAYS WILLIAM KING JOHN & SARAH 1839 29-May
JAYS SARAH JOHN & SARAH 1842 17-Mar
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These are St Mary De Castro
JEYES EDWARD 1809 JOHN & ELIZABETH 20-Feb
JEYES JOHN 1802 JOHN & ELIZABETH 01-Apr
JEYES JOSEPH 1806 JOHN & ELIZABETH 14-Oct
JEYES MARY 1804 JOHN & ELIZABETH 13-Jun
JEYS HENRY 1811 JOHN & ELIZABETH 25-Nov
For John and Elizabeth in Enderby around this time, I haven't found a baptism past 1805 but there is an Elizabeth listed 22 Jan 1804 so am leaving the puzzle hoping something may have started to unravel fingers crossed :)
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Hi
Found this marriage in Whitwick
Whitwick 28 May 1822
John Jayes of this parish Bachelor
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Hannah Howe of this parish Spinster
Marriage by Banns
Probably John was working in Whitwick and as this was Hannah's parish this is where they married
Bunnygirl
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Wow,there are a lot of Jayes there - thank you for all your efforts!
I have the Enderby info but there are others in that list that might be helpful, or might put the cat amongst the pigeons!
Enderby 20-Sep 1801 B
John Jey OTP
Elizabeth Tebbett OTP
I believe this is the John whose will I mention, dated 1839. JOhn, Joseph and Elizabeth (married name King) all mentioned in the will.
Leicester, St. Margaret 03-Dec 1826 B
John Jays OTP Bach
Sarah King OTP Spin
I thought this one might be "my" John. Family present in Pegg St in 1841 census - 3 children, Eliza, Thomas and William. Possible deaths for Sarah listed on freeBMD in 1842 and 1841. Thomas was an apprentice cordwainer in 1851 and William was in the workhouse, but was with his brother in Birmingham in 1861. My John remarried as a widower in 1845 ----- but maybe he wasn't from this family in the first place? because
Leicester, St. Margaret 25-Aug 1822 B
John Jeays OTP Bach
Elizabeth Addison OTP Spin
this is a new one on me and I note the Jeays spelling!
Does anyone have any further info on either of this marraiges (John/Sarah, John/Elizabeth)?
John JAYES of Rushton, bachelor Hannah WATTS otp, spinster 1830 6 Jul Stoke Albany
My money is on this being the "other" Enderby John as his wife, Hannah, is listed as being from Stoke Albany in all the censuses. Is there any more info about this marraige?
Muchas gracias :)
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That's a surprise with the Stoke Albany one, they are just records I have to hand so you will need to look at the originals
Eyes down for more baptisms!
JAYS SARAH LICHFIELD JOHN & ELIZABETH 1823 25-Jun
JAYS ANN JOHN & ELIZABETH 1826 21-Jun
JAYS GEORGE JOHN & ELIZABETH 1825 30-Mar
JEAYS ELIZABETH JOHN & ELIZABETH 1827 15-Aug
JAYS JOHN JOHN & ELIZABETH 1830 21-Apr
Burial
LEICESTER ST MARGARET 1252 SARAH JAYES LEICESTER 23-Dec 1841 39
What about this
Entry No.173, MAR 9, 1845, after Banns
THOMAS PACKWOOD, minor, bach. BOBBIN TURNER, of ORCHARD St, s. of THOMAS PACKWOOD, LABOURER
MARY ANN KING JAYS, minor, sp. of CHURCH GATE, d. of JOHN JAYS, FWK
Wits: SAMUEL ROSS, ELIZABETH ROSS
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So who married Catherine!
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JEAYS Sarah Litchfield Leicester 7a/307
18-Aug 1868 St Mary De Castro
MUMFORD James
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By a process of deduction, I'd guess that John who married Elizabeth (father of Sarah Lichfield Jays/Jeays) is NOT myJohn --
because his daughter Sarah was alive in 1868
and my John had a daughter Sarah Ann in 1846 - I doubt he would have given 2 daughters who were both alive at the same time, the same name (though it's not impossible!)
Mary Ann King Jays can be spotted as Packwood in 1851/61 though the enumerator in 1851 should have be sacked, it's a horrendously messy page and difficult to read! I can't see any more clues on the page - sadly she doesn't have an elderly father living with her, or anything useful like that ::)
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I've posted on the Northants board to see if anyone has any further info about the Stoke Albany marraige.
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Have you come across theses baptisms
St Mary De Castro
JAYES SARAH ANN 1851 JOHN & ELIZABETH 09-Apr
JAYES SELINA 1851 JOHN & ELIZABETH 09-Apr
came up with this looking for Sarah Ann,
wondered what might be in the parish register, also
JAYS Selina Leicester Leicestershire 1851 Jan-Feb-Mar Birth
but not coming up with anything for her after so far
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No, I hadn't seen those baptisms. Sarah Ann was my gtgt grannie but I don't know of a Selina at all. In fact I am not aware of any siblings for Sarah - there are none shown on censuses. I don't know when her mum died either (another mystery that I think I'm destined never to solve).
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Just popped a bit more above!
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Just found this but for Jun 17
LEICESTER ST MARY 969 SELINA JAYES LEICESTER 17-Jun 1851 INF
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Did you notice there were King(s), next door to the Packwood family just to mess with your head :)
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Is that Jun 17 one a burial? I can't find Selina in any censuses.
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Hm, the 1851 census was on 30 March. John, Elizabeth and Sarah Ann are the only people in the household in that census. Maybe Selina was born in the following week (and then they remembered they had to get big sis baptised too! :))
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Have the death of John from the paper
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Leicester Chronicle and the Leicestershire Mercury (Leicester, England), Saturday, October 27, 1877; pg. 12
JEAYS-On the 23rd inst., John Jeays, St. Margaret's, aged 75
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Arrgghhhh! YOu remember there were 2 John Jayes - mine, born around 1802, who said he was from Enderby, and another who lived in Enderby with his wife Hannah?
There was one who died on 9 Feb 1877, aged 74, who I think was the Enderby JJ (Hannah's husband). Another died in the workhouse on 23 Dec 1877 age 75 - I have assumed that was mine.
So who is this third one, who died in October?!
EDITED - My error - just checked the death cert and he did indeed die on 23 Oct. The informant was the workhouse boss. I don't suppose the death notice in the paper says anything more about who inserted the notice? I presume it would have been Sarah but it would be great to have some confirmation.
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Looked just in case but nothing else
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Have you looked at John Jayes born Whitwick 1797 this is my 4x ggf.
Married Hannah Howe 28th May 1822 Whitwick.
Have no death record for him though
Not to sure whether this will help.
regards Jan.