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Can anyone make out the name of the bridegrooms father and brides fathers Alias on this image?
The brides fathers name I have looked up on various site (BMD,census,family etc.) and transcribers have him down as the following:-
Baricas,Bayne,Barjew,Barjeu,Barjen..............the trouble is that I don't think it's any of those!!
The Alias I can't make out at all.
Sensible suggestions please...........my lovely husband has already suggested the round onion things we have delivered from the local takeaway!!
The certificate was ordered from the GRO on Monday and arrived yesterday......a pat on the back is deserved.
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Bayen ??? maybe ???
Ann
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Hi,
Alias - Janning??
The second word after Bayen sounds like a root veg.
Ann
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Barjeist?
Henry Palmer alias Isaccson?
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The first one looks like Bayew Cozens and the second one is it alias Janaway?
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Do you think it's Bay or Barj? the Y could be a fancy Y.
His surname is Cozens.
He is my Gx2 grandfather.............thank goodness they didn't carry the name on.................probably couldn't read the records!!
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January???
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I thought maybe January for the Alias too.
Why would someone have an Alias anyway?
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Probably because no one could pronounce his real name or more likely there was another (maybe cousin) in locality
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Hiya,
I'm not sure what time frame this is, but there is a Barjew Cozens on the 1861 census born 1814 Portisham Dorset. Any connection?
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Palmer alias Samway?
Pauline
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Have a look on the Dorset OPC site www.dorset-opc.com
I put cozens in the search engine and got 70 hits, including this one:
Parish of Litton Cheney 1861 CENSUS
PRO Ref RG9/1366 498 persons, 117 dwellings
all at Gorwell
Barjew; COZENS Sen; head; mar; 47; ag lab; Portisham; F121P24
Ann; COZENS; wife; mar; 45; ; Carsgate; F121P24
Henry; COZENS; son; un; 23; carter; Carsgate; F121P24
Barjew; COZENS jun; son; un; 19; ag lab; Carsgate; F121P24
Elizabeth; COZENS; daur; un; 14; ; Carsgate; F121P24
William; COZENS; son; ; 11; scholar; Kingston Russell; F121P24
John; COZENS; son; ; 6; scholar; Kingston Russell; F121P24
Ellen; COZENS; daur; ; 3; ; Kingston Russell; F121P24
Sarah; COZENS; daur; ; 9m; ; Longbridy; F121P24
Recognise anybody ???
Bob
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... and this one:
Portesham 1851 CENSUS HO 107 / 1857
District 3 a District 3b
All F704p7 at Coryates
Barjew?; COZENS; Head; married; 36; Farm Labourer; Portesham;
Ann; COZENS; wife; married; 32; ; Portesham;
Henry ; COZENS; ; ; 12; son; Portesham;
Barjew?; COZENS; ; ; 9; son; Portesham;
Mary Ann; COZENS; ; ; 7; ; Portesham;
Elizabeth; COZENS; ; ; 4; ; Portesham;
Edward; COZENS; ; ; 1; son; Portesham;
Looks like the same family, 10 years earlier
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I also read it as Barjew Cozens. The alias PROBABLY means Henry changed his name more or less officially from Jan-scribble to Palmer. Perhaps because it was a foreign name, or possibly because a relative named Palmer made him their heir. I have one case of a distant rellie adopting his godfather's surname for that reason.
MR
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I've looked at the image for the Barjew Bob found in Litton Cheney: it definitely is Barjew - neatly written for once. The Portesham one isn't coming up at all so goodness knows what he's been transcribed as. I first read the alias as Samway but not so sure now :-\
Jan ;)
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Barjew is a great name!!
It helps trace the family when you have a really different name like that. :) (Assuming its right)
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The alias looks to me like Jauncey. Which is in fact not an uncommon name.
Regards
Robert
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Hi,
there is a Cousins family website where this name appears several times:
www.cousinsfamily.co.uk/British%20BM/birdata5.html
Tanja
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Barjen is the name I got from the Cozens family website when I was looking for confirmation of the spelling of his name.
Yes that is the family on the 1861 census.......spelt Barjew.
The enumerator on the 1871 has neatly written it as Barjeu on the image though.
I did look on the Litton Cheney,Dorset OPC site..........they are so good and helpful these OPC's.
I would love to volunteer for a village OPC but having just volunteered for the FreeCen project I wonder if it would be too much.Do you have to live in the village/area I wonder to volunteer?
I suppose you could do 1 locally and 1 in an area you were visiting for your research.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
A Google of the name didn't help.............looks as though it could be French! Depending on the spelling I suppose.
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What about Eastern Europe?
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FreeBMD
From FreeBMD, Barjew jnr is listed as Berjen at his birth in 1841 (Weymouth), but as Barjew at his marriage in 1873 (Weymouth) - presumably (given the 1881 census names) to Caroline RYALL.
From FreeBMD, Barjew snr is listed as Barjeu at his death in 1893 (Dorchester).
From FreeBMD, there is the death presumably of Barjew jnr spelled thus - age 6_ in 1901 (Weymouth).
1881 Census
From FamilySearch, Barjew snr is listed as Barjew COUSINS in the 1881 census.
Barjew jnr is listed as Barjew COZENS.
There's another Barjew in the 1881 census - a Barjew BARTLETT aged 60 and born Dorset.
IGI
A search in the IGI for Barjew as a first name in the British Isles brings up only one entry - a Barjew PITCHER marrying in London in 1785.
A search in the IGI for BARJEW as a last name in the British Isles is interesting. It brings up quite a few under many variant spellings including BARJEW and BERJEW (there are several in French Huguenot churches - though mostly as BARGEAU, BARJEAU). The name spelled as BARJEW goes back quite a while - there's an Elizabeth BARJEW christened 1671 in Mere, Wiltshire.
JAP
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Hi JAP
I am really awestruck at the information you have given me on Barjeu/ew etc.
I am always fascinated at where the additional information that RootsChatters provide, comes from.
Thanks for your help.......I'm going to pin the information on the name to his birth certificate before I file it............and then to the tree programme I have.
The Granny is Happy today!!
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Hi happy granny,
I'm just cross that I couldn't find anything about Henry PALMER alias JANUARY (that's how I see it - but who knows!).
JANUARY is a perfectly ordinary surname - ditto JAUNCEY which has been suggested.
Perhaps Henry was born with one or other surname, then his Mum married a gent with the other surname, so Henry was sometimes known as PALMER and sometimes as JANUARY (or whatever).
Good Luck,
JAP
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Hi
Am currently researching the Berjew surname thru the marriage of Robert Cozens and Joane Berjew.
Father of Joane was Richard Berjew
they married 8th Oct 1632 though
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Hi Sharon K
I wonder if that's where the Barjew/Barjeu/Berjew name came into the Cozens Family...........and was then passed down the family as a Christian name.What do you think?
What Cozens have you got in the 1800's in your tree?
Sue
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Hi Sue
You could well be right about the origin of Barjew as a first name. I have a similar occurence in my family: James Allsop married Susanna Wandell in 1648, there son Wandell Allsop was born in 1665 and thereafter it was a very popular first name amongst Wirksworth Allsops for 200 years. They have caused me much confusion ;D
Cheers Jan ;)
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The alias looks like JAUNCEY to me. A not uncommon name.
Strangely enough someone else asked about a similar looking name some time back.
Regards
Robert
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The alias looks like JAUNCEY to me. A not uncommon name.
Strangely enough someone else asked about a similar looking name some time back.
Regards
Robert
And strangely enough someone else said on this thread some time back:
JANUARY is a perfectly ordinary surname - ditto JAUNCEY which has been suggested.
Cheers,
;) ;D
JAP
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Hi everyone
PaulineJ was right it is Samways.
I was contacted by a new member who has Barjen in her tree too..........she Googled the name and was directed to Rootschat.
Henry was illegitimate.......had is mother surname and used his fathers name over the years...as did his family.
Well done ............Rootschat has come up trumps again...........and I have another rellie to exchange family information with!!
Don't you just love these sort of days?
Sue
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That's great Sue ;D
Jan ;)
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Hello Sue
I notice you had discussions on Rootschat some three years ago regarding the name Barjew/Barieu/Barjaw. I have two or three Barjew Pitchers from Melbury Osmond Dorset. I have
Robert Pitcher m.1706 St Michaels Coventry Warwickshire to Sarah Collins or Short
their son Barjew Pitcher bapt. 1709 Melbury Osmond d.1801 Melbury Osmond m. Elizabeth ?
their son John Pitcher bap.c.1745 m.Elizabeth/Betty Andrews
their son Barjew Pitcher b.1798 m. Hannah Mintern, immigrated to USA and died 1864 in Ohio.
Earlier research showed that three men surname Barjew arrived in England. The document referrred to them as Alien. Unfortunately I cannot quote the reference or document name, mislaid it.
Could we correspond to gather information on this name.
Sincerely
Heather
Australia
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Hi Heather
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Thanks for contacting me.Yes I would love to work with you and research this unusual name.
I have emailed to direct at the address you gave me
look forward to hearing from you again
kind regards
Sue