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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Wiggy on Wednesday 09 May 12 02:04 BST (UK)
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Hello again.
We think these two could be the same man - but . . . . . :-\ Are they freckles on his face - or dirty marks - what do you think - not a silly question - there is another gent who has similar marks - but I don't think he is the same man, myself!
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Well this one says the name of the man - is he the same as the previous post?
A M Milligan's son in law was living in Victoria and he lived in Tasmania. Hence the thought that he may have had his photo taken in both places.
- if you'd like to dry clean his clothes a bit, that's fine by us, - but only simple clean up please - nothing fancy! ;) (just realised they aren't really restoration quality scans - so forget that bit!! ;D ;D)
Wiggy
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I think they could be the same man, both have deep set eyes, prominent cheekbones, similar noses and mouths. What's in the lower man's right hand? I wondered if it could be the monocle or magnifying glass that's visible in the first photo.
Heather
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That is very observant of you, Heather. I hadn't noticed anything in his other hand - only the papers!!
Wiggy :)
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I'm sure it's the same man. It might even be the same coat.
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could be (the same coat I mean)! . . we'll wait and see how many years between the photos! ;)
If it is the same man, the window is only about 6 years - Lindt setting up in Melbourne, to A.M.'s death.
Does that seem about right?
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I think also the same man but the 2nd. photo looks late 1870's rather than 1883 both the cardstock & clothing suggests this.
The 1st. could be 1880's or 90's as this style was popular in both decades.Not the same coat by the way,the 2nd. is a frockcoat c.1860's-70's style & the 1st. is a shorter closer fitting style of frockcoat c.1880's-90's.
jim
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Jim, Thank you for your observations - really appreciate the input and knowledge
Trouble is - the man in the second picture died in 1883. (if he's labelled correctly and we have to assume so, being the only one with a label)
So the photo may not have been taken then, just labelled, noting the man and the fact that he died in 1883 - therefore, if the first photo is earlier . . . . . that means the second must have been taken early '80s - will that stack up??
And if it won't something is wrong - either they've miss-labelled the photo - or they are different people . . . . which none of you think :-\ :-\
Sorry if this sounds a little convoluted -
Wiggy :)
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I think they are the same bloke - when I superimposed them they were a perfect match given the disparity in the picture sizes which I could not get exactly the same but you can see here
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That's pretty compelling isn't it !!
- thanks Maureen! That's a great help.
Now to sort out what Jim says about dates!!
Wiggy ;)
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Hi,I am looking for a James Barton Milligan sais born in Spring Bay Tasmania abt 1850 he married in NSW his wife died in Mildura Vic 1915 ,
I have no parents for him or death place or time.
I thought he may be related to your Milligan
can you help please suzanne
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Hello Suzanne,
Welcome to Rootschat - good place to get help!! :)
I will pass on your message about this man to the owner of the photo who is descended down this side of the family - she may know - though to be fair, it was a Milligan daughter who married into the Gaunt family so . . . I don't know how far she's gone back with this family - or sideways either. we shall see.
Wiggy :)
(Ooops - sorry - I was going by your number of posts - but I see you've been around for years!! ;D ;D - a new beginning maybe?)
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Hi Suzanne,
I don't think it is the same Milligan, the photo is of Alexander Murray Milligan - but he did have brothers, one was quite well known as a botanist and for (if my memory serves me correctly) managing convicts on an island and collecting aboriginal artefacts - some of which are still in a Tasmanian museum. I'll have a bit of a look and see if your Milligan is a son of one of my Milligan's brothers.
Regards
Julie
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Just looked at the two pictures and noticed the mention of the monacle in the lower photo. if you look very cloely at the upper photo he appears to have the same chord around his neck (his rhs) crossing his shirt, they certainly look very much like the same person
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I think that is why Heather Lynne made mention of the monocle in the second photo! ;) It is very clear in the first isn't it? I am still having difficulty seeing it in the second to be honest!
Wiggy :)
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i can't see the monacle itself, just the chord and you have to look closely to see it, the monacle could be tucked in the waistcoat. great photos too :)
griff
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To answer the question in your OP Wiggy, I think they are freckles - some may be skin cancers.
And I think because of that, that it's the same person (apart from his prominent cheekbones etc).
The second photo is further away, but you can see a freckle (or skin cancer!) on top of his head, plus the grouping under his right eye shows as two dots on the second photo.
Dawn M
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Reckon you could be correct Dawn. Distinguished looking bloke I think! :D
- thank you all for you input!
Locking this thread now - many thanks again everyone!
Wiggy :D