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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Tiki1962 on Monday 07 May 12 08:43 BST (UK)
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Hi I am trying to trace descendants of Frances and John Andrew who were married in 1907. They had 3 children - Eva in 1909, Anne in 1910 known as Nancy I believe and Irwin in 1913. I believe Eva married Albert Rankin in 1926. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I believe they live possibly in the Auckland area. Many thanks in advance.
I realize now that the Eva Andrew i am looking for did NOT marry Albert Rankin.
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Hi
Irwin was in Auckland as per undertakers records
Name ANDREW Irwin Trevor
Date 1 Jun 1997
Undertaker J Weir & Co Ltd
Place of residence Ellerslie
Bye
Althea
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search at archives and you will see divorce details for the marriage mentioned in your first post
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/Home.do
Bye
Althea
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The Eva that you mention married to Rankin was the daughter of Martin
There were 3 eva's
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's Given
Name(s) Father's Given
Name(s) Still Birth
1909/19529 Andrew Eva Frances Ethel John Howard Mollet -
1902/18865 Andrew Eva Hia May Esther March Martin Casey -
1909/12661 Andrew Eva Mary Eliza Jane Josiah Henry
So this is not the line you are after
Bye
althea
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The Eva that you mention married to Rankin was the daughter of Martin
There were 3 eva's
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's GivenName(s) Father's GivenName(s)
1909/19529 Andrew Eva/ Frances Ethel/ John Howard Mollet -
1902/18865 Andrew Eva Hia May /Esther March /Martin Casey -
1909/12661 Andrew Eva Mary/ Eliza Jane /Josiah Henry
So this is not the line you are after
Bye
althea
She was the daughter of Frances Ethel and John Howard Mollet Andrew
Cheers Janette
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As Irwin and Nancy Gwyneth are interred in the same plot,it looks like they may not have married
Cheers Janette
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Thank you Althea and Janette. Eva married Albert as this showed up in the divorce records - I did not realize they were there. Another great link to look into. Is it possible to see if they had children? I go into BDM and up to 7 May 1932 they didn't seem to. Is there a way of checking after that?
Thank you again! What an amazing community. If I can ever help in Australia let me know
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Hi
I see what Althea means (Reply #3) about the marriage of Eva to Mr Rankin.
The marriage entry reads: 1926/4412 ANDREW Eva Ilie May to RANKIN Albert Edwards
which points to the 1902 birth of ANDREW Eva Hia May to parents Esther March and Martin Casey ANDREW
So, not probably not your 'Eva' - just possibly a little wild goose chase in the making.
Maybe a check of the newspapers for the deaths of Irwin and Nancy will throw up some clues.
Best wishes
Elli
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Thanks for clarifying that Elli
I got in a total mess trying to explain
Dear Tiki
this Eva you mention is not the one you want..maybe she also didnot marry
Bye
althea
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Thanks Eli and Althea. I am relatively new to this and I understand now. I was wondering Althea how do you research undertaker's records? This may lead to new clues for me on other branch lines.
Thank you for your help.
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You can try directly with the cemetery or when you know the undertaker..google for their email address, then email them direct to see if they have newspaper notices, death certs etc.
The Norths Shore Branch of NZSG have a NZ HErald index for post 1950
google their address.
It is a postal service..NZ and overseas..you send a self addressed envelope and enclose a small donation
You can supply them with a list of possible names and they will look them up for you and send you the death notices that could be relevent
Bye
Althea
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Hi Tiki
Additional to Elli's explanation re: Eva Ilie May ANDREW married RANKIN ....
This lady remarried following her divorce.
Death
1975 - BARRY - Eva Ilie May - (date of birth 21 May 1902)
The date of birth given at her death, is also a match for the (1902) child recorded as "Eva Hia May ANDREWS" - d/o Esther March and Martin Casey ANDREW. (D.o.b. deduced from online Birth index.)
[Electoral rolls - Auckland area, from 1946 - show her as "Eva Eilie May BARRY with husband, Andrew Charles BARRY. ]
A probate file held at Archives New Zealand (Auckland) records
-- BARRY- Eva Eilie May - Widow - 1975 :
~ Lu
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Hi
I see what Althea means (Reply #3) about the marriage of Eva to Mr Rankin.
The marriage entry reads: 1926/4412 ANDREW Eva Ilie May to RANKIN Albert Edwards
which points to the 1902 birth of ANDREW Eva Hia May to parents Esther March and Martin Casey ANDREW
So, probably not your 'Eva' - just possibly a little wild goose chase in the making.
But subject of this thread is "Rankin family", so isn't the Eva we are looking for the Eva Ilie May ANDREW. ???
Her name is spelt Eva Ilia May ANDREW on birth microfiche, so probably the BDM Eva Hia May spelling is an error.
This lady re-married in 1944 and died 1975 and buried at Mangere.
Ooops sorry Lu, you beat me to it - again!
John B
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Hi
I see what Althea means (Reply #3) about the marriage of Eva to Mr Rankin.
The marriage entry reads: 1926/4412 ANDREW Eva Ilie May to RANKIN Albert Edwards
which points to the 1902 birth of ANDREW Eva Hia May to parents Esther March and Martin Casey ANDREW
So, probably not your 'Eva' - just possibly a little wild goose chase in the making.
But subject of this thread is "Rankin family", so isn't the Eva we are looking for the Eva Ilie May ANDREW. ???
Her name is spelt Eva Ilia May ANDREW on birth microfiche, so probably the BDM Eva Hia May spelling is an error.
This lady re-married in 1944 and died 1975 and buried at Mangere.
Ooops sorry Lu, you beat me to it - again!
John B
From the OP 's other thread,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,596139.0.html
I assume the poster is looking for Eva Andrew the grandaughter of Isabella and Robert William Robinson,The Eva Rankin on this thread is another person all together and not the person the poster is looking for.
Cheers Janette
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Hi again Tiki
Had been about to ask, how it was that you'd linked the "Eva .... RANKIN" back to this ANDREW family (Frances and John). ???
Things are are little clearer now though with the information from your ROBINSON family thread. ;)
As I understand it then, you are looking for descendants of any of the children of Frances Ethel (nee ROBINSON) and John Howard Mollet ANDREW, with a view to finding further info about Frederick ROBINSON who was an adoptive brother of Frances Ethel ?
Can you confirm this is correct please ?
Cheers
~ Lu
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Hi Lu
That is correct. My g g grandfather was Frederick Robinson who was adopted into Robert and Isabella's family in the 1880's. Frances was his sister.
Frances married John Andrew and they had three children I believe - Eva in 1909, Anne Gwenyth known as Nancy in 1910 and Irwin in 1913. Janette found Nancy and Irwin's graves for me and I am wondering if Eva's relations are out there. I made an incorrect assumption before all my facts were checked, in relation to the marriage. I do not know if she married or not.
Any help would be greatly appreciated from the novice genealogist. Thanks
Tiki
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Of course I am the novice genealogist!
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Hi,it may pay to go back to your first post on this thread,click modify and change the title name from Rankin to Andrew.It will help others looking,
Cheers Janette
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Eva's birth 1909 was registered in Otaki.
John Howard and Frances Andrew are on ER for 1911 at Otaki, where he is a storekeeper at Manakau. By 1928 he is a draper in Palmerston North.
The only Eva Andrew that shows on ER after 1930 is a married woman in Oamaru.
There is no obvious marriage or death of your Eva Andrew that I can see.
I suggest checking the death notice for John Howard Mollet Andrew in 1959, or Frances Ethel in 1969 to see if Eva is mentioned, otherwise purchase one of their death printouts. He and Frances Ethel are both buried at Purewa.
John B
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Thank you John. ;) I do appreciate it. I will look in the death notices. Is the best place Papers Past?
Thanks again
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Hi Tiki
Unfortunately PapersPast won't be of help. Only the "Auckland Star" is available and it's coverage doesn't extend beyond 1903. :(
[Usually when a death notice is sought (of the era you are wanting), where a funeral director's details are available, then a direct approach to them is the first "port of call".
There are though a small band of volunteers on here who have access to newspapers, and are often willing to do look-ups. Please see the further information given in the Resources Section of this (NZ) board. ]
~ Lu
PS : I'm going to be in the vicinity of the Nat. Library sometime this week, so if time permits, will look for a death notice of one of the parents (or a sibling), to see if there's a mention of Eva. (Like John B. previously, I've not been able to find any trace of Eva in NZ, so far. ) ~ Lu
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Hi Leanne,
I will be going to the library in the next week or so and will look for some of the extended Robinson family death notices.
Cheers Janette
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Thank you Lu and Janette :) I have learnt so much from this very generous community!
Leanne
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Hi Leanne
Eva ANDREW
As none of us had found any leads to Eva in adulthood, the next thing to check was, had she died shortly after her birth ?
Sadly, that seems to have been the case. Quite often, if a child was just days old, and it's birth hadn't yet been registered, then birth and death would be registered at the same time.
And for some inexplicable reason, sometimes it is found in the Birth / Death indexes, that only one "event" has been "officially" recorded !
Eva's birth 1909 was registered in Otaki.
John Howard and Frances Andrew are on ER for 1911 at Otaki, where he is a storekeeper at Manakau.
John B
John B's info above, was helpful in finding Eva. ;)
Though she is not named specifically as Eva, you can see her burial at the following site -- shown as >
ANDREWS - Infant - aged 2 days
Date of Death/or burial or cremation : 4 April 1909
[The NZSG Burial Locator gives -- ANDREW - Baby - 1909 ]
http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Online-Services/Cemetery-Search/
[The online BDM has birth of Eva ANDREW registered as 4 April 1909 - though it seems if 2 days old at death, her true birthdate was probably 2nd April. ? ]
~ Lu
PS : Death notices for her parents, to follow.
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Leanne ... in the meantime, you might like to read this ? ;)
A report on the wedding of John Howard ANDREW and Miss ROBINSON. (How quaint. :D )
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Auckland Star" - 28 November 1907 - Otahuhu Items
[The dates for the "Auckland Star" have been extended to 1926 ... and went live at P/past just a few hours ago. ]
~ Lu
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Thank you Lu. It is a wonderful snippet!
Leanne
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Nice work, Lu.
Good to see yet another 'mystery' solved ;D
and how important it is to record every little clue!
John B
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Thank you Lu. I did not see the posting about Eva until I read John's post.
On an unrelated topic - my grandfather had a younger brother called Trevor Robinson who was born in 1907. From the family stories he died within a day of his birth. I sent to New Zealand for the birth certificate, but I can't find the death certificate. It was said he was born at Kataia, which is right up north. Could this be the same as Eva?
Thanks again
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Hi Tiki,
Is this the birth?
1907/20444 Robinson Trevor William Annie Frederick
registered 22/11/1907 at Whangarei.
John B
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Hi John
Yes that is the birth, but the family can't find the death or a gravestone. This birth has been an issue in the family for years as Pop his brother, only mentioned it after a few ales! Therefore some of the family knew about Trevor and some did not.
Leanne
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Hi Leanne
Returning to the ANDREW family. ;)
Thankfully, John Howard and Frances Ethel ANDREW, had two further children (sons - whose births do not yet show up on the online index.) One I'd found earlier with his parents and siblings on the electoral rolls, the other's identity is confirmed in his parents' death notices. Both (now deceased) married, and John and Frances had at least 3 grandchildren. [I've exluded names of these g/chn. from the notices, as all are possibly living. But their names will be known once you move to the next step of obtaining death notices for their parents. ] ;)
ANDREW - John Howard Mollet -- On April 16 [1959] at Greenlane Hospital, d/l/h/o Frances Ethel and loved father of Nancy, Jack, Irwin and Brian. Loved grandfather of * * & * [1 boy, 2 girls]. Service at St. Paul's Methodist Church, Remuera.
[Source: "NZ Herald" (Auckland) - 17 April 1959 ]
( ^ All persons named in above notice, are now deceased. )
see next >
~ Lu
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Death Notice - ANDREW
ANDREW - Frances Ethel -- On 31 August 1969 at her residence 249 Main Road, Ellerslie, l/w/o/ the late Howard ANDREW, loved mother of Nancy, Jack, Irwin and Brian, loved mother-in-law of Marjory and Eunice. Loved g/ma of * * & *. Private Cremation, no flowers by request.
[Source: "NZ Herald (Auckland) - 1 September 1969 ]
(John Howard seems to have been known as "Howard" ? )
(^ All persons named in above notice, are now deceased. )
see next >
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Sons of John Howard and Frances ANDREW :
1938 - Remuera (Auckland) Electoral Roll
ANDREW
- John Howard Mollet, storekeeper
- Frances Ethel - married
- Irwin Trevor - labourer
- Ann Gweneth - spinster
- John Robert Gervase - insurance clerk
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ANDREW - Brian Selwyn - foreman (appears on Remuera Supplementary Roll - 1938)
All above are living at # 32 Vincent Ave.
[John Robert Gervase ANDREW = the "Jack" shown in parent's death notices. ]
next >
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Brian Selwyn,was cremated at Waikumete Cemetery
Date Of Death :11-Mar-1986
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx
Cheers Janette
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NZ Deaths
2003 - ANDREW - John Robert - d.o.b. 14 August 1912
and his wife ...
2010 - ANDREW - Marjory Adelaide - b. 9 May 1914
Date of Death: 6 September 2010
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1986 - ANDREW - Brian Selwyn - b. 16 January 1916
and his wife ...
2007 - ANDREW - Adelaide Eunice - b. 27 June 1915
Date of Death: 7 September 2007
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Would suggest that you get the (more recent) death notices of the wives of these men. ;)
Am assuming they died in Auckland ? (can't be sure as last electoral info I have is, 1981) ... and don't see their names on any of the Auckland cemetery indexes.
The "New Zealand Herald" has broad coverage so would perhaps be the most likely place to find notices.
To request a newspaper (notice) look-up, you can start a new topic ... (or, if you prefer, use the NZSG North Shore resource mentioned earlier in this thread.)
~ Lu
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John Robert was cremated at North Shore
http://www.northshorecity.govt.nz/Services/OnlineServices/pages/IFCemetry.aspx
The FD is from a little town north of Auckland
Cheers Janette
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Hi again Leanne
As per my previous post, I consider that you'll get the most "up-to-date" info on the children of the ANDREW boys (and their whereabouts), by sourcing the death notices (2007 & 2010) for each of their wives. ;)
I also did a quick look-up for Irwin Trevor (d. 1997) and as well as a notice from his brother, Jack, there was a tribute from Irwin's (eight) great nieces and nephews ... so, there's certainly more family about. As always though, it's a case of locating them and hoping they have some useful information to share. ;)
Good luck with your quest. :)
~ Lu
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Thanks again to Janette And Lu :D I will work on all this new information on the weekend.
Is the NZ Herald online for 1940 to 2000? if not how are people finding the death notices? Thanks again
Leanne
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Is the NZ Herald online for 1940 to 2000? if not how are people finding the death notices? Thanks again
Leanne
Hi Leanne
No, the "NZ Herald" is not available online.
Please see Reply # 10 of this thread for info on the NZSG service providing newspaper look-ups.
This may suit your purposes if you're wanting quite a number of notices ?
For look-ups in publications that are outside of the range of dates provided at PapersPast, you are reliant on the goodwill of a volunteer in this forum, offering to undertake such a service.
Please also read the quidelines set out in the "Resources" section of this (NZ) board regarding requests for look-ups.
~ Lu
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! All this communities help has been amazingly generous. I have completed that line of my family tree.
Thanks to your members.
Tiki