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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: LoopyLil on Friday 04 May 12 11:14 BST (UK)
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Hi :)
Can anyone help me as to where to go next please?
I am researching a Joseph BATE.
He was married (aged 33 and listed as a miner) in 1915 in North Featherstone to a Emily LOWE.
He died in 1947 in Featherstone. No DOB on certificate.
His father, according to his marriage certificate, was a miner called John BATE.
What I am trying to do is locate Joseph's birth, I don't know where he was born and there are several births with this name around 1882, none of which are around the Yorkshire area.
How do I go about hunting his birth? What/where should I try next? ???
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1891 census has
John Bate 50 coal miner b Wednesbury Staffs
Ann 42 wife b Longton Staffs
John J 11 son b ditto
Maria 7 dau b ditto
Joseph 9 son b ditto
Ann 4 dau b ditto
Mary E 1 dau b ditto
Ann 76 widow boarder b Sedgley Staffs
28 Russell Street,Stoke upon Trent,Longton
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1901 has same family in Fenton Staffs at 45 Berdmore Street,Stoke upon Trent
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Thank you for this info Isobelruss, much appreciated.
This narrows down the birth entries :)
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hello
1911 census has a joseph bate in a hospital in wakefield.coal miner born 1879 in staffordshire.
states already married though so may have to look for death of a wife
lee
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Thanks Lee.
I will have a look at this too.
Cheers.
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hello
there are 2 marriages for a joseph bate in pontefract. emily lowe as you know and another in 1905 so looks like he could have been married twice.
lee
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Thank you Lee,
I have just had a look at the other marriage, possible wife Frances, located a poss death for her in the late 1950's.
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hello
there are 2 marriages for a joseph bate in pontefract. emily lowe as you know and another in 1905 so looks like he could have been married twice.
lee
On marriage entry to Emily Lowe he is descibed as "bachelor"
I wondered if any of witnesses were related - one witness is Percy Williams -the other is too faint to read -it could be l???? Bate - is it any clearer on the marriage certificate, Loopylil?
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I have had alook at the witnesses, suzard.
They are a Joseph Simpson Bell, Elsie Bell, Percy Williams and a Laura Sharp. I have checked the writing style Bell to Bate, and it is a definate Bell.
I too wondered about the 'bachelor' bit, wondering if he had fibbed?
Thank you :)
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does this entry seem a good bet for a birth cert.
Births Jun 1882
Bate Joseph Stoke T. 6b 271
I can make that year tie in with his age at death and his age at marriage.
The other entry in 1882 has a middle name so I have ruled that out.
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Staffordshire BMD http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/births.php
1875 BATE John LongtonStoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
1878 BATE Sarah Ann LongtonStoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
1880 BATE John Thomas LongtonStoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
1882 BATE Joseph Longton Stoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
1884 BATE Maria Longton Stoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
1887 BATE Annie LongtonStoke-On-Trent mmn ? (not given)
1889 BATE Mary Lizzie LongtonStoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
1892 BATE Emily LongtonStoke-On-Trent mmn GROCOTT
FreeBMD marriage Sep 1873 Stoke T vol 6b page 351
John Bate name on same page Ann Grocott
1873 St Peter Stoke
John BATE to Ann GROCOTT
RG11; Piece: 2734; Folio: 131; Page: 21
26 Lower Russell Street Stoke on Trent
John Bates 34 Wednsbury Staffs Coal Miner
Ann 30 Longton
Sarah Ann 3 “
John 1
Sarah Ann Bates ch age 1 4 Jan 1880 Longton
John Thomas Bates born 13 Dec 1879 ch 4 Jan 1880 Longton
Mary Lizzie Bate born 12 Aug ch. 15 Sep 1889 Longton
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Wow, thank you Ladyhawk!
This is brill. This man has been doing my head in for months, he has been shelved for ages. Seems as though this is him!
Thank you everyone for your input, I couldn't have done it without you. :-*