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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Jamjar on Thursday 03 May 12 23:15 BST (UK)
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Also Christina Burgess his spouse who died at Lochmaben 19th December, 1819, aged 77 years.
You will find the complete headstone here. It give names of her deceased children:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,595551.10.html
I would like to find information on Christina, who was married to George Kerr. I know nothing about her except that she was married to George and when she died.
Jamjar
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Is there no one with Burgess in the Lochmaben area in their family tree, here? ???
Jamjar
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Jamjar,
I have drawn a blank trying to find anything on Christian BURGESS. Having gone by her death date 19 December 1819 and her possible birth year 1742.
Did all the searches on Scotlands People:
No birth for a Christian/Christina/Christine BURGESS for 1742
No marriage for a Christian/Christina/Christine BURGESS for the dates 1760/1770 assuming John KERR was their first child born 1770.
No death for a Christian/Christina/Christine BURGESS or KER/KERR in 1819
Also looked for George
No birth for George KERR for 1736. There was one for a George KER 1736 - parents John KER & Janet Mensil
No marriage for George KERR/KER between 1760/1770
There was one death for a George KERR 1808
22/03/1808 KERR GEORGE SAMUEL KERR M LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN
It is possible George & Christina didn't register their marriage, but you would think their deaths would have been.
cupcake
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Why am I not surprised? ::) I envy those who can trace their ancestors back further than I have with any of mine.
Did you not find any Burgess in the area at all?
Jamjar
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Think I need to visit the library again.
I had a look at Family Search and Goerge & Christna's 5 children are there. No BMD's for either George or Christina for the dates.The name Burgess does appear but, eitheir abroad or in England.
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Maybe George crossed over to England for work.
Jamjar
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Does tend to make you think that, as there aren't details on SP.
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Jamjar, I'm not any help to you I'm afraid because my only Burgess link is much much later but it could be a longstanding local family - and then again, it may not.
I could recognise and totally understand your frustration when nothing on the Burgess name seemed to turn up in the area. My family are not that far away, mainly Johnstonebridge and surrounding parishes but later generations partially in Beattock as well.
My great aunt married David Burgess. In earlier records he was shown as a shepherd by by the marriage he seemed to be the tenant farming a neighbouring farm. They married at her home on the family farm (Kirkpatrick Juxta parish) on 19 June 1902. His full name was David Bryden Burgess, and he was 30, so presumably a birth year around 1872. His parents were John Burgess, Estate Labourer, and Jane Burgess, MS Bryden. Neither are shown as Dcd on the marriage certificate.
I've nothing on any Burgess other than that and it's a lot later than you are asking for, but if you really have no hint of any other Burgess family in the area I thought at least I should throw it into the ring for you, as it were.
Sorry it's not more helpful.
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Jamjar,
You'll not be surprised :'( when I tell you I found nothing on Christina BURGESS. Not even her marriage to George KERR.
Thought perhaps I had missed something on SP, but there was nothing on the OPR's at the library, either. Spent a bit of time on Ancestry in case George & Janet had married over the border.
These are the children I know of:
Elizabeth KERR b. 14 June 1766 - Lochmaben
John KERR b. 14 January 1770 - Lochmaben
Janet KERR b. 6 October 1771 - Lochmaben
James KERR b. 4 November 1773 -Lochmaben
cupcake
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Woe is me. :'(
Thank you both for the information. One day someone may pop up who has her in their tree.
There are 200 Burgess listed on the '51 Dumfriesshire census! So they had to have come from somewhere.
Jamjar
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Dont know if this will help but i have a John Burgess born in 1822 in Lochmaben in my tree , his daughter Janet born 1859 was my g/gran but i cant get any further
kizziemay
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Do you know the parents of John Burgess b. 1822, Lochmaben.
I looked on Scotlands People but nothing came up.
cupcake
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Sorry dont know who his parents were but he was married to Amelia Moffat
Kizziemay
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This seems to be the problem I am having with births. It would appear, if they aren't on Scotlands People, then the births weren't registered.
cupcake
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Their daughter Janet was born at Hillburn Cotts Dryfesdale on 13/3/1859 and i cant find that birth either.
Kizziemay
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That is strange, after 1855 BMD's should have been registered. Before 1855 in Scotland, it was not compulsory to register.
Janet's birth is on Family Search- just the date and place though.
Good luck with your search.
cupcake
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kizziemay,
I will probably be back at the library to help Jamjar with her search and, if I find any information on your John Burgess, I'll let you know.
cupcake
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Jamjar,
Visited the library again today, to check I hadn't missed anything.
Have printed off all the OPR's Birth/Christenings for Burgess (254) including, Burges with one S (98) Not one for Christina.
cupcake
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kizziemay,
While I was at the library I looked for the John Burgess birth 1822, Lochmaben, but found nothing.
However, John must have been married around 1840. I found three more children to John & Amelia (note Burges is spelt with one S for Robert & Mary)
Robert Burges - John Burges/Amelia Moffat - 23 February 1845 - Kirkmichael
Mary Burges - John Burges/Amelia Moffat - 14 May 1848 - Kirkmichael
William Burgess - John Burgess/Amelia Moffat - 31 May 1850 - Dumfries
cupcake
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kizziemay,
I think this is your John Burgess on the Dumfries 1851 census:
Name: BURGESS , John
Address: Village of Cumrue(836)
Parish: Kirkmichael
Relationship: head of household
Marital Status: married
Occupation: LABOURER
Age: 29
cupcake
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Just one more. Could be your John's marriage date and Amelia's birth.
Amelia MOFFAT b. 16 June 1823 - Kirkmichael parents - John MOFFAT / Margaret CRAIG
John BURGESS marriage Amelia Moffat abt. 1844 - Kirkmichael
Hope this helps.
cupcake
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Jamjar,
I know this is a long shot but, it's the only birth I can find for Christina/Christian BURGESS in 1742.
parents: Thos Burgess, Sarah
name: Christian Burgess
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 Jun 1742
baptism/christening place: ALBEMARLE PARISH,SURRY,VIRGINIA
birth date: 24 May 1742
father (or slave owner): Thos Burgess
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C50464-1
system origin: Virginia-ODM
source film number: 30161
Do you think there is any connction.
George KERR & Chritina Burgess son, John died in Ohio with his wife Mary Bell, their daughter Christina
died at Ohio, America August 1835 aged 21 years. George Bell their son also
died in America aged 31 years."
cupcake
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Doubt she came over to Scotland from the US, but stranger things have happened. Jardine's went to the US, so maybe as relatives they just went together. Ohio seems to have been a point of entry.
Jamjar
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Cupcake
Thanks for that information, it certainly looks like my Burgesses,I also have a child John born 1864 for them and Amelia 1862 strange how their firstborn wasn't called John
Kizziemay