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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: patmar on Thursday 03 May 12 23:10 BST (UK)
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Born and reared in Dublin myself. In recent months discovered mother and her twin brother were born at 53 Great Orford Street in 1916. It seems their mother went to Liverpool from Dublin to give birth as she was married and the pregnancy was the result of an affair. I know the twins and their mother were back in Dublin in 1920.
Really what I would like to know is, was 53 Great Orford Street a home for women to give birth due to unusual reasons or was it even a maternity hospital. Have googled the area and it appears to be a development area.
Would be grateful if any Liverpool people could provide any information
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Great Orford Street has appeared in my own FH - not number 53 though
As far as I could establish at the time - they were mainly mixed size residential houses and many were sub - divided into flats or similar
FindMyPast allow you to search the 1911 census by address so you could check number 53 as at 1911. You would have to buy credits to do so
www.findmypast.co.uk
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According to a Liverpool directory the head of the household was a Patrick O'Neill at 53 Great Orford Street in 1911. He was a Galway man who worked on the docks. Other residents' surnames were Heyes. The address appears to have been residential.
Blue
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Thank you Carole and Blue. Your confirmation that No 53 was residential improves knowledge of mother and her twin brother's arrival in the world.
WE did know grandmother's sister was a nurse in Liverpool and arranged whatever had to be arranged for the births.
Was I correcin saying Great Orford Street housing was demolished and is awaiting redevelopment ?
When we go to UK its usually to London as its a favourite city. Did spend a week in Manchester in 2008 long before we knew mother was born in Liverpool.
We are having a week holiday in June so just might head to Liverpool and do a trip to Blackpool that has always appealed. Son has always been a Liverpool FC supporter and since he found out in July last year his great granny was born there he is claiming his support for the team comes from the "Scouser" blood.
Again, thank you for your help and I look forward to visiting Liverpool to get a feel of my mother's background
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Have you seen Great Orford Street on Google Street View? Those images were taken a few years ago. Great Orford Street is near to the RC cathedral. It's also near to the Wellington Rooms (also called the Blackie or Black E) which for many years was the Irish Centre. Most of the original buildings have gone.
Incidentally in 1916 the Liverpool Workhouse was on the site of the RC cathedral. Nurses worked in the hospital part of the Workhouse. This part of Liverpool had an interesting mix of people living there the residents included Jewish people who had come to Liverpool from Eastern Europe ie Poland, Russia etc.
Blue
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Here is an old map of the area. The Royal Infirmary is also nearby so there's another place a nurse could have worked:-
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolaz/np79.htm
Blue
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One side of Great Orford Street is shown on this old photo.
Blue
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Thanks a lot Blue, great map and photo
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Have you seen Great Orford Street on Google Street View? Those images were taken a few years ago. Great Orford Street is near to the RC cathedral. It's also near to the Wellington Rooms (also called the Blackie or Black E) which for many years was the Irish Centre. Most of the original buildings have gone.
Incidentally in 1916 the Liverpool Workhouse was on the site of the RC cathedral. Nurses worked in the hospital part of the Workhouse. This part of Liverpool had an interesting mix of people living there the residents included Jewish people who had come to Liverpool from Eastern Europe ie Poland, Russia etc.
Blue
Blue could you give me any details of those Heyes residents you found please
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Blue you sure about the Irish centre being called the Blackie
I thought the Blackie was on he corner of China town facing the Anglican
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Sarah Heyes, visitor, 45, widow, charwoman
Maria Heyes, visitor, 18, single,
Sarah Heyes, visitor, 16, single,
No place of births recorded.
Yes you're right the blackie or black e is a different building located near Chinatown. The Wellington Rooms or old Irish Centre are the right names.
Blue
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Sarah Heyes, visitor, 45, widow, charwoman
Maria Heyes, visitor, 18, single,
Sarah Heyes, visitor, 16, single,
No place of births recorded.
Yes you're right the blackie or black e is a different building located near Chinatown. The Wellington Rooms or old Irish Centre are the right names.
Blue
Thanks Blue,,your a star
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Herself and meself arrived home from Liverpool 4 hours ago, went on Monday. Great few days and we fell in love with the city after been very uncertain before going. Bustling city with lots to see and do and the obvious success of the Albert Dock regeneration was a pleasure to witness. We will be back there at first opportunity.
We stayed at the Adelphi Hotel which was only about 10 minutes walk away from Great Orford Street. That was first surprise, second was how presentable the whole immediate area is around Great Orford Street. The Metropolitan Cathedral is an extraordinary building and the University buildings really make the area a special part of Liverpool. Pity for me Great Orford Street and adjacent Duckingfield Street were demolished to make way for the College of Art and Design. Would have been nice to get a photo of No 53 where mother was born or one of any house on the street. However, we have plenty of info gathered from leaflets we obtained from the central Library that just might lead to the desired photo.
Anyway, what we loved most about Liverpool was the people, friendly, chatty and willing to help if at all possible. Special thanks to Blue as your comments were a spur to head for Liverpool. I was finding it very hard to get around fact my mother was born in Liverpool, simply didnt add up to the mother I knew. A piece or two has been filled on the jigsaw that is the family tree so thanks also to this great site. Pat Monks
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Hi Pat
I'm glad you enjoyed your trip to Liverpool. There's been a lot of redevelopment in Liverpool in recent years returning Scousers can't believe all the changes. Most of it is for the better. The port is going to be given a new lease of life with a new cruise terminal and there are plans to redevelop more of the waterfont.
The Mathew Street festival in August is a great time to visit if you like live music there's live music at several open air stages in the city centre. Lots of tribute bands not just Beatles ones there's lots of other tribute bands too.
Cheers,
Blue
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Liverpool Record Office holds many photos of streets. They have an index to which streets they have photos of. The index is at the temporary office at Sandhills. It might be worth an email to them to see if they have the streets you want and the cost of a copy of any photos.
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http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='Great%20orford%20street')&dsqPos=14
The above link if it works!! :) shows that the record office does indeed have a photograph of Gt Orford St, however not #53 but a terrace of houses on the opposite side #38-42.
http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-local-and-family-history/
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My Mother in law lived at 47 in 1941 came home to this :-
Taken from the ruins of the Workhouse looking across the Street at the Irish Centre the night after the 3rd May 1941 Blitz on Gt Orford Street.
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She lost her Mother and Father and Six siblings while she was working a night shift at the Parachute Factory down at the Blackie in Chinatown.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxWqZckQ/20191229-145251.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Might be 78 years ago but still a shock to read of such horrible loss of life in one family
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Hi all - my great grandparents came from what is now Poland but was Russia before 1909 (first child born then in Liverpool).. and are at 37 Gt Orford street in 1911 before moving to 52 Moon street for the rest of the time it was there... both are buried in Rice Lane Jewish cemetery, Joseph and Minnie Ellenbogen (Ellenburgh on 1911)