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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: fraoch29 on Thursday 03 May 12 17:07 BST (UK)
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Hi My name is Heather King and I am searching for information on my great great grandparents, hoping for some pictures of the area at that time or current and possibly more information such as their parents or Margaret Martin Walker birth record.
Here is what I know:
Margaret Martin Walker Kennedy Born Nov 1831 in Glasgow Scotland
James Kennedy Born in Ireland Dec 1824
Married 19 May 1850 Parish of Old Monkland County of Lanark
Record states James was a puddler at Calderbanks Works (would love a picture of that)
They had 9 children prior to leaving for America in 1868 on the Acadia (Arcadia)
James Jr 1852-1863
Jane 1854-1932
Margaret Martin 1856-1910
Mary Boyd 1859- 1929
Agnes Walker 1861-1932
Martha Kennedy 1863-1933
Hugh Martin 1864-1865
William Walker 1866-1926
James S 1868-1926
Settled in Wheeling West Virginia US then had:
Anna Virginia 1870-1951
Laura May 1873-1875
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1851 census
James Kennedy 24 born Ireland occ Puddler (malleable Iron Works)
Margaret Kennedy 20 born Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
James Kennedy 5 Months
Address
Stone Row Old Forge 21 Calderbank Old Monkland
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1861 and the family have moved to the Motherwell area
James Kennedy 35
Margaret Kennedy 30
James Kennedy 10
Jane Kennedy 9
Margaret Kennedy 7
Mary Kennedy 4
Agnes Kennedy 1
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Thank you already for your help I appreciate it. I can look up the records in Ancestry.com but no image and not much additional information. The 1861 census I pull up says
Registration district: Dalziel
Civil parish: Dalziel
Is Dalziel the same as Motherwell? I am still confused by the county, parish city differences.
Thanks again for the assistance!
-Heather
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Hi Heather
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Not a photograph...but an artist illustration c. 1860 of the Calderbank Iron Works here www.monklands.co.uk/calderbank/
Lots of maps sites to help you get bearings:
www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ - map of counties
www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-maps.htm - parishes within counties
Monica
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Thank you Monica!
The parish map is a great help! :) My goal is to try and get to at least the 1700's haha But it is apparent that during the times names were used and reused and similar to many others in those days. I did learn through a death record the my great great grandmothers parents were William Walker and Margaret Duff. Genealogy is both fun and frustrating at the same time ;D ???
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Welcome to the RC genealogy addicts club, Heather ;D
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I did learn through a death record the my great great grandmothers parents were William Walker and Margaret Duff.
Is this from Margaret Walker's death cert in the US?
Monica
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Monica,
Yes it was Margaret Walker Kennedy's death record from the US.
Do you think it is unlikely to find records prior to 1800? I noticed on one post that someone noted that birth and death records were not always recorded in Scotland early on.
-Heather
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Heather there was no requirement to record births, deaths or marriages prior to 1855, even when they were recorded they were held by individual churches and many didn't survive.
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1841 census has this record
Hugh Martin 25
Margrate Martin 30
John Martin 5
James Martin 1 3 Mo
Margrate Walker 10 born Lanarkshire occ F.S.
Address Calder Bank Iron Works
The closest BAPTISMs on the OPR's with the surnames on Margarets death record are for a William 1826 and Jane 1828 in Old Monkland to parents James WALKER and Jane DUFF
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OPR's have this marriage record
30/12/1831
MARTIN HUGH and MARGARET DUFF
at
OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE
/LANARK
Looks like Margaret Walker's father may have died and Margaret Duff re-married
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Sancti,
Thank you so so much I really appreciate it this is very helpful and very enlightening. Never thought about possible remarry but always wondered why we had her listed as Margaret Martin Walker Kennedy. All makes sense now. Again thank you!
-Heather
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Hi Heather
I have been researching the MARTIN family for a friend. It would appear in the light of what you have written that Margaret DUFF later MARTIN had a daughter Margaret WALKER born 22 Nov 1831 to William WALKER a month prior to her marrying Hugh MARTIN on 31 Dec 1931.
Before finding your information, I had assumed that Margaret WALKER aged 10 in the 1841 Census living with Hugh and Margaret MARTIN was Margaret's niece - the daughter of her sister Jean DUFF who married James WALKER.
Below is the 1851 Census showing James and Jean WALKER with some of their children: (only their 2 eldest children's births were registered as another subscriber acknowledged)
1851 Census: 21 Stone Row Old Forge, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Jane Walker Head W 45 Domestic Duties Glasgow, Lanarkshire
William Walker Son U 24 Puddler Malleable Iron Works Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Jane Walker Dau U 22 Servant Store Cleaner Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
James Walker Son U 18 Assistant Roller Iron Works Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Agnes Walker Dau 11 Scholar Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Mungo Walker Son 8 Scholar Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
As you can see from the Census above, Margaret would have fitted in perfectly agewise between Jane and James!
Margaret DUFF later MARTIN was born on 2 Oct 1806 at Glasgow daughter of James DUFF, File Smith and Jean THOMSON. Her parents had 3 children registered in the OPRs.
OPR Marriage: 11 Nov 1803 Glasgow
James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON residenter there married 11 Nov by Dr William Taylor one of the Ministers of Glasgow
OPR Births
John DUFF b 16 Jan 1804 Glasgow son of James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON
Jean DUFF b 23 Apr 1805 Glasgow dau of James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON
**Margaret DUFF b 2 Oct 1806 Glasgow dau of James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON
OPR Marriage: 30 Dec 1831 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Hugh MARTIN and Margaret DUFF both in this parish to be proclaimed; these said parties Hugh MARTIN and Margaret DUFF were married at The Monkland Forge on 30 Dec 1831 by the Rev George Sommerville, Minister of the Wellington Secession Church, Airdrie
Death: 22 May 1865 Margaret MARTIN aged 58
Merryston House Married to Hugh MARTIN Iron Master
COATBRIDGE Father: James DUFF File Cutter (decd)
Old Monkland Mother: Jane DUFF ms THOMSON (decd)
Lanarkshire Cause: Apoplexy 1 day cert Charles Adam MD
Informant: Hugh Martin Jnr, son (present)
Death: 5 Jan 1884 Hugh MARTIN Iron Master aged 72
Merryston House Married 1) Margaret DUFF 2) Mary Ann BRYAN
COATBRIDGE Father: John MARTIN Iron Master (decd)
Lanarkshire Mother: Ann MARTIN ms ROBERTON (decd)
Cause: Heart Disease 2 years; Congestion of Lungs 21 days cert Robert Munro Surgeon
Informant: James Martin, son – Ellangowan Cottage, St John Street, Coatbridge
Death: 20 Nov 1915 Mary Ann MARTIN age 68
Rockview Widow of Hugh MARTIN Iron Manufacturer
Ardnadam Father: -------- BRYAN (decd)
Inellan Mother: -------------BRYAN ms Unknown (decd)
Dunoon Cause: Asthma; Cardiac Failure cert Joseph Clarke MD
Argyll Informant: A G Martin, son
Hugh and Margaret show in the 1841 to 1861 Census, after which Hugh shows with his 2nd wife Mary Ann BRYAN.
1851 Census: Merryston House, Coatbridge, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Hugh Martin Head M 39 Malleable Iron Manufacturer Old Monkland, Lnrks
Margaret Martin Wife M 44 Old Monkland, Lnrks
John Martin Son 15 Old Monkland, Lnrks
Hugh Martin Son 10 At School Old Monkland, Lnrks
William Martin Son 6 At School Old Monkland, Lnrks
James Martin Son 4 At Home Old Monkland, Lnrks
Andrew Martin Son 4 At Home Old Monkland, Lnrks
1861 Census: West Merryston House, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Hugh Martin Head M 49 Iron Manufacturer Employer Cambusnethan, Lnrks
Margaret Martin Wife M 54 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Hugh Martin Son U 19 Iron Roller Calderbank, Lnrks
William Martin Son U 16 Iron Worker Calderbank, Lnrks
James Martin Son 14 Iron Worker Calderbank, Lnrks
Andrew Martin Son 14 Iron Worker Calderbank, Lnrks
Harriette Williams Servant 15 Servant Bothwell, Lnrks
I hope this helps shed some light on Margaret's past.
Regards Acatrini
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Is Dalziel the same as Motherwell? I am still confused by the county, parish city differences.
Not quite!
Historically, Scotland is divided into 33 counties, and about 900 parishes. (This was all changed in 1975 but I won't go into that now.) Most parishes are within a county, but there are some which straddle the boundaries of two or more counties. The basic unit for recording information about birth/baptisms, banns/marriages, deaths/burials and census, was the parish, so you always need to know which parish/district it was. Mostly this tells you the county as well, but not always.
In most parishes the main centre of population had the same name as the parish, so the village of East Kilbride is in the parish of East Kilbride, and the town of Lanark is in the parish of Lanark. Both East Kilbride and Lanark are in the county of Lanark (which is why I always use Lanarkshire to indicate that I mean the county, not the town or parish.)
There are some counties, however, where for one reason or another the largest town or village had a different name from its parish. This applies, for example, to Airdrie in the parish of New Monkland, Coatbridge in the parish of Old Monkland, Motherwell in the parish of Dalziel, Wishaw in the parish of Cambusnethan, Strathaven in the parish of Avondale etc etc. However all these parishes also contain country (landward) areas as well as the towns.
So the short answer is that Motherwell is in the parish of Dalziel, but it is only part of the parish.
There is county-by-county and parish-by-parish information at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/
Does that help?
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Up until about 1895 (or perhaps 1898) about half of present-day Motherwell was in the parish of Hamilton. There was even a small part of it in Bothwell parish. The village (now district) of Craigneuk, although historically part of Dalziel parish, is part of the town of Wishaw.
Confused? You are now!
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Oh, dear, and there I was trying to keep it simple :-[