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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Surrey => England => Surrey Lookup Requests => Topic started by: outerspacenik on Wednesday 23 February 11 11:18 GMT (UK)
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I received a response to my previously request for assistance with this subject on 20 February, but now have more information after seeing his death certificate. The name of his mother is given as 'unknown'; he came from 'Surrey' and spent 30 years in the colony of New South Wales; he and his father Joseph arrived c.1832; both were 'dealers', buying and selling goods for a living. George was also a publican and a schoolteacher. He appears to have been well educated judging by his handwriting and how he expressed himself in a letter to The Australian newspaper in 1837. Maybe the best way of finding him is in a census.
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Hi
Previous posts so others can see what has already been found to avoid duplication of effort
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,514678.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,516206.0.html
Information on early censuses pre the first nationally surviving census in 1841 is in the guide at the top of the Surrey board (very little information on early censuses - see guide)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403497.0.html
The Selon index mentioned in the list is a privately held index (Google for address)
Regards
Valda
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Thank you Valda for responding to my query so quickly.
I tried to follow up the lead I was given here about Joseph and Charlotte Mawbey, about her burial at Christ Church, Southwark in 1810. This sounded promising, but it seems I cannot look at these records online. I would like to know her surname.
The census material sounds too late.
A George Mabey, a servant from Surrey, was transported to NSW in around 1826 and this may have been my ancestor.
George Mawbey's death certificate suggests he arrived in 1832, but information for this was provided by his 17 year old daughter. I'm wondering if he spent time in a workhouse. His letter published in the Australian newspaper, and the fact he later worked as a schoolmaster at a small Church of England diocesan school, indicate he was well educated.
It appears he was also involved in professional theatre, so his spoken English must have been good too.
I don't think his father Joseph came to Australia with him now.
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I tried to follow up the lead I was given here about Joseph and Charlotte Mawbey, about her burial at Christ Church, Southwark in 1810. This sounded promising, but it seems I cannot look at these records online. I would like to know her surname.
Hi
The burial record only gives the date of 30th January 1810 and the name Charlotte Mawbey. (This is available to view online on Ancestry) English burial records give very little information prior to 1837, after which you may also have the abode and age and extremely rarely next of kin.
Rosie
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This may be too left field, but are there any rumours about Sir Joseph Mawbey having any illegitimate sons?
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Sorry I don't know the answer to that ;)
Rosie
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George Mawbey b.1809 England and his father Joseph were both 'dealers'.
They were not agricultural workers or tradesmen.
This suggests they lived in a large town or city like London.
In Australia George worked predominantly as a clerk, doing the accounts for privately owned businesses.
His first appearance in historical newspapers is as an actor in the first professional theatre in Sydney.
Then as a witness at court on behalf of a former employer, a wealthy ironmonger, for whom he had worked as a clerk.
George then appears to have gone out on his own as a 'tinman' before acquiring a licence for a pub.
He then went to the newly established province of South Australia, and set up Refreshment Rooms in the commercial heart of Adelaide.
On his return to Sydney, he worked as a clerk for a large bookstore in Sydney.
The family then moved to the rural outskirts of Sydney, to an orchard area at Dural near Parramatta, where he was the schoolmaster at a CE diocesan school.
When he died in Sydney in 1852 he was a dealer.
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There is an Australian convict record on Ancestry for a Geo Mabey transported on the ship Henry.
The Henry made two trips transporting convicts from England, one to Port Jackson (Sydney) 1823 with male convicts and another to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) 1824 with female convicts.
George Mawbey's death certificate gives the impression he came in 1832 when he was 23.
So if he came in 1823 he was only 14.
The handwritten record on Ancestry.com.au is very difficult to read (see attached).
Could somebody please help me out with deciphering this record, particularly the place where he came from (first column, right-hand page)?
His occupation is 'indoor and outdoor servant' and I think the last column says he is from Surrey.
He is 5 ft 7 in tall with brown hair and sallow complexion.
The person who found this for me says he was tried at Surrey Quarter Sessions.
Are these records available online?
If this is George Mawbey, he may have changed the spelling of his name to hide his convict past, and to make himself sound as if he came from an important knighted English family.
Fingers crossed ...
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Hi
Please do not attach copyright material from subscription websites. Moderators will have to remove them as Rootschat acknowledges and keeps within copyright laws. What is allowable is to attach a small part of a record if you are seeking help from other Rootschatters with transcribing it because it is difficult to read.
I have merged two further posts made on George Mawbey on the Surrey boards with this the main topic. This will keep all the information together otherwise it becomes confusing and Rootschatters will try to help with one post only to find their efforts have been duplicated by other Rootschatters on other posts on the same subject on another topic, or the information has already been found. Many Rootschatters find this particularly annoying when they have given their time freely only to see it was a wasted effort. Please post further on this topic only.
Additionally information on the possible baptism of George Mawbey. Please see this link.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,595053.0.html
Regards
Valda
Co-moderator Surrey board
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I appear to be annoying you.
Please make allowances for the fact I have Aspergers Syndrome and do not discriminate against me on this basis.
Pamela Mawbey
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Dear Pamela
I would like to introduce myself to you, I am Valda's co-moderator on the Surrey boards.
Please let me re-assure you that you are not annoying Valda.
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It is a courtesy to inform people that you have made related posts about the Mawbeys and let them know where these requests are.
Having read through your recent posts, that is what Valda has been attempting to do.
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Regards
Dawn
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Dawn,
There are many people with Aspergers Syndrome throughout the world, and I believe our differences in thinking and communication need to be acknowledged by RootsChat and its convenors.
People with AS naturally have to right to look for their ancestors , and not to be dismissed, albeit rudely, by people regularly dealing with the public who do not know about this relatively common condition.
I am upset about what has happened recently on RootsChat, and currently feel like not having anything further to do with this genealogy site.
Might I suggest that you and Valda view some websites that explain what Aspergers Syndrome is, in order to be able to recognise people with this disability when they attempt to use your site.
Pamela Mawbey
Sydney, Australia
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Hi
The handwritten record on Ancestry.com.au is very difficult to read.
Could somebody please help me out with deciphering this record, particularly the place where he came from
Are you able to attach the part of the record that you are trying to read.
Thanks
Rosie :)
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Pamela
I really don't think anyone is being rude or unaccommodating to you, unfortunately, and this applies to both people without AS as well as those with, we can all phrase things that can be misunderstood by others. Some people's style of writing can come across as abrupt even when they do not mean it, it's also up to the reader to give someone the benefit of doubt. I know since I've been annoyed on a few postings addressed to me in the past, but have given the person the benefit of doubt.
As for your George Mawbey (and as Valda has asked for no more postings to be place on the original baptism request posting), I really do think you should look into the George baptised in 1823 to Joseph and Ann at Southwark Christ Church. I appreciate you had read the birth date as applying to the mother rather than the child, but I concur with Valda that baptisms never included the birthdate of the mother, only that of the child when known. While it says the family were from Lewisham, Kent, as that parish is right on the border with Surrey, he is stil a possibility.
As his father is Joseph and his age ties in with other information you have, he could definately be a possibility. You say both George and his father were dealers. Joseph father of the George from Lewisham is listed as a carpenter but it is quite possible over the years he changed profession, possibly if he was unable to get work in his normal trade. I have blacksmiths who ended up working on the Docks because they could not get any work as blacksmiths. Also, it depends on who gave that information for the associated document, if it was one of George's children, they may not have known and just assumed their grandfather was a dealer too.
Which of the documents on ancestry.com.au are you having difficulty reading? I know Valda has already said that copyrighted documents can't be uploaded, but if you post the details I, and probably others, would be able to have a look at the original document on ancestry.
Nicola
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Hi All :)
Pamela, I've added the baptism of George MAWB(E)Y to my list of look-ups in the parish registers. It may be that the record holds a bit more useful information than is shown on the IGI index.
(Film #307686, Christ Church, Southwark, 29/9/1823, to remind me ;) )
KR
Gaie
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The original digitised entry from ancestry says Sept 28 1823, George son of Joseph Mawby, carpenter, and Ann, b[orn] Dec 31 1809 .... Lewisham, Kent.
I think Pamela has already looked at this from when Dawn originally posted it last year. There was a bit of confusion over whether it was George or his mother born 1809.
I think the entry Pamela is having problems reading may be for a passenger list entry or something similar.
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Thanks for that smudwhisk; I've now crossed it off my list ;D
KR
Gaie