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My Grand-uncle, Private Joseph Clinch (Clynch) Reg No. 25140, Unit-Royal Irish Regiment, Batt-7th (formerly-1518, South Irish Horse). Dob 17/01/1892, dod 12/12/1917. We are told that he died of wounds in France & Flanders and is buried at Villers-Faucon Communal, Picardie, France. I'm trying to find out where he was was when he was injured....Have found War Diaries of South Irish Horse (source document: The National Archives at Kew WO 95/1979) but i'm not sure that it's the correct diary....Can anyone help to point me in the right direction to get the information that i need? :-\
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http://southirishhorse.com/documents/war_diaries_table.htm
Maybe of interest?
This is entry for 12/12/17
Battln. relieved in evening by 7/8 R. Innis. Fus. & returned to billets at ST EMILIE. Billets shelled & 28 men killed & 40 wounded. Capt. Vernon & 1 OR wounded during relief. Battln moved out of billets & occupied Railway Cutting.
Ady
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Hi Ady,
I have that information already......So i was on the right track?
I have been reading through the months September to December 1917 and trying to decipher the short-hand terms used such as OR, GOC, RE????
I am trying to pin-point the day that he was injured........
Also, how soon after death were the soldiers buried? :(
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Its going to be pretty hard to pinpoint point of wounding as they look to have been shelled quite a bit over the period.
casualties would have been buried pretty much as soon as possible.
OR is Other Rank as in not an officer,GOC Is General Officer Commanding,RE is Royal Engineers.
If the cemetery where he lies is a fair distance from War Diary location then he may have been moved to a field hospital or casualty clearing station so may have been wounded a few days prior to date of death.
However reading the Cwgc write up on cemetery I get the feeling he was re-interred there after the armistice.
Ady
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Thanks for all your help. :)
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My Grand-uncle, Private Joseph Clinch (Clynch) Reg No. 25140, Unit-Royal Irish Regiment, Batt-7th (formerly-1518, South Irish Horse). Dob 17/01/1892, dod 12/12/1917. We are told that he died of wounds in France & Flanders and is buried at Villers-Faucon Communal, Picardie, France. ..
I'm trying to discover when he signed up and where..........Can anyone help please?
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Number 1672 SIH enlisted 10/11/15 so prior to that ive just looked for similar numbers on the SWB lists.
1135 was a Sept 1914 enlistment so i suspect its sometime mid 1915
Cant help with the where though
Ady
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Ady, thanks for that.......but what are SWB lists ???
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Silver War Badge lists basically a lad got discharged due to wounds or sickness he was given one they are a good online resource for enlistment discharge dates....You Will get your mans from the SIH Medal Rolls at kew but they arent online....Maybe there is someone on Great War Forum that has the Rolls already...Its a collectible unit so im sure someone will have some good info if you post on there
Ady
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Ady, thanks for all your help. :) :)
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Hi Everyone,
Just to close this off, Joseph Clynch was one of the 28 men noted in the War Diary mentioned above and on my web site at the above link. They had just pulled back from the line for rest and were in billets when a stray shell hit them. The shell landed in a courtyard and caused a lot of casualties, of the 40 men wounded two, Joseph being but one, he died of his wounds the same day.
He actually enlisted between the 30th Sep 1915 and 2nd Oct 1915, I can't be more precise than that. I'd also say with some measure of accuracy that he enlisted in Dublin, however as there were several recruiting stations in use it's also possible that he went to the Curragh and enlisted there.
I have another note in my records for him, that I found several years ago, now long since removed from the web. This was posted on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 as part of the www.eirecon.net site. Who the author was was not recorded, I've saved the web page so can forward this if you want it. I’VE written about a few war heroes in the past and here’s another pair I’ve come across and men I’d like to hear more about.
They were both Balbriggan men and died taking part in the Battle of CambraI, which ran from late 1917, right to the end of 1918.
Private Joseph Clinch, a member of the South Irish Horse, was injured in December 1917 during the course of the battle and died later from his wounds.
On September 27, 1918, the fight was going on and Lieut Ernest Dennis Ellis, son of Balbriggan Town Commissioner David Ellis and his wife Annie of ‘Holmsdale’ Balbriggan, was leading his company across the Canal Du Nord when he was struck and killed.
He was a member of the 4th Bn, formerly the 10th Bn of the Bedfordshire Regiment. He was 25.
Note the change of name, in the 1901 census the family use CLYNCH and in 1911 CLINCH, though as far as the British Army was concerned it was CLYNCH, you choose.
Any other questions re the SIH or this man use the email access via my web site. ;D
All the best
Doug
www.southirishhorse.com
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To everyone who has given me information and pointed me in the right direction, a massive "Thank You". I can finally put grand-uncle Joseph to rest with dignity and respect. We owe them all so much.