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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Staffordshire => England => Staffordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: queenswood 1 on Tuesday 01 May 12 09:28 BST (UK)
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can anyone tell me who was living at Botteslow Farm, Botteslow farmhouse and Botteslow Farm cottage in 1901 please
It is in Stoke RD
many thanks
caroline
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Caroline - sorry I couldn't get a result. Have you tried using a trade directory they may identify people around that time - there are some on the Historical Directories site. There's a mention in British History Online:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=53378
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Hi.
Botteslow Cottage
RG13/2613 127/8
Birks family and visitor Elizabeth wilson
Botteslow Farm
RG13/2613 127/8
Wain family and one servant
Botteslow Farm Cottage
RG13/2613 128/9
Stinton family and boarder Albert Joner
If you need any details just ask.
cathy
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Thank you- the Directories have lots of references to Botteslow Street in Hanley- but nothing re Botteslow Farm etc.Thank you for the suggestion anyway!
Caroline
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Thank you. My grandmother Lilian milner was born on 20th dec 1904 at botteslow farm and I am intrigued as to why they were living there as they were in the pottery industry. Any suggestions would be helpful. Was there a flint mine nearby maybe? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Here’s a map view showing where it was.
https://tinyurl.com/22z57xtt (https://tinyurl.com/22z57xtt)
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That is wonderful Alan! Thank you so much! I can now go and find the exact location!
Is there any way to print off copies of the side by side maps for my records? I tried to save and print but it came up blank.
I cannot thank you enough for all your help.
Caroline
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I think that your best bet is to zoom to an optimum view, close all of the pop-up windows and make a screenshot. You can order pdfs of individual old OS maps (not side-by-side views), but in my limited experience they are of rather low resolution: screenshots of the high resolution online view will be better, and free!
Also note that you can change the modern view between various options: I left it as a satellite view because it clearly shows that the farm isn’t there any more.
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Thank you. My grandmother Lilian milner was born on 20th dec 1904 at botteslow farm and I am intrigued as to why they were living there as they were in the pottery industry. Any suggestions would be helpful. Was there a flint mine nearby maybe? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.
Was Lily (May?) the dau. of George Harry Milner and Ruth Corden? Her address is 25 Bottleslow Street in both 1911 and 1921. Do you have her parents marr. cert to check their addresses in 1904?
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1901: Ruth Corden is with her family at 19 Old Hall Terrace, Hanley. Her father John Corden, 56, is a farmer, and her brother George, 23, is a farm labourer.
Added: by my estimate on Google Maps, using Old Hall Street (which is still there) as a proxy for Old Hall Terrace (they were close by each other) it was, as the crow flies, about one mile from the Corden house to Botteslow Farm.
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http://www.thepotteries.org/districts/maps/botteslow_farm.jpg
This is a photo taken of part of Botteslow farm.1972..There was a lot of land around there before they built Eaton Park..There still quite a bit of land still called Berryhill..
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Thank you all for all your help! I can see now the connection with John Corden listed as a farmer in 1901 with son George Corden as a farm labourer. In Nov 1904 George Milner married Ruth Corden and Ruth stated that her father John Corden was a general labourer- presumably working at Botteslow farm just 1 mile from Old Hall Terrace. Ruth was a dressmaker both in 1901 and on the marriage cert in Nov 1904. the wedding took place on 14th Nov 1904 at stoke Registry Office and their daughter lily was born just 5 weeks later- at Botteslow Farm- so i just wonder if Ruth was visiting her father and brother at the farm when the baby decided to arrive! Her husband George Milner is not on the 1901 census- possibly Boer War service- and is shown as a potters placer on both the marriage cert in 1904 and the later census in 1911, by which time the young family were living at 25 Botteslow Street.
I can only think that maybe this is finally the explanation as to why my grandmother was born on a farm!
On the marriage cert in 1904 Ruth gives her address as 24 Old Hall terrace (she was with her parents in 1901 at 19 Old Hall terrace) but I am unable to decipher the address for George Harry Milner. I am unable to attach a copy of the marriage cert to this post but if you could kindly PM me maybe have a look for me? I have deciphered all the other details on the marriage cert.
Thank you all so much for helping me work out this conundrum- and I now have the current location for Botteslow farm (land only now!) so will be back in my car to walk more in their footsteps.
Thank you so very much.
Caroline
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Ruth Corden is shown as a dressmaker in both 1901 and also on her marriage certificate in 1904- so she was not used to getting her hands dirty! Only assumptions as to scenarios but I think it is quite conclusive unless you have any other ideas!
Many thanks indeed to you all.
Caroline
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Ruth's mother Ellen came from several generations of butchers ( Schemilt of Ipstone) and so that makes a further ,link with farming and the rearing of cattle for beef maybe. Certainly making a strong case for Botteslow Farm to be linked into Ruth Corden and her family- the Milners were not farmers at all - they were in the Pottery industry.
So the birth of Lilian May Milner at Botteslow Farm is surely connected with her maternal line and nothing to do with her paternal line.
Just random thoughts.
Caroline
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Hi everyone,
Forgive me for going off topic here. My grandfather had a grocery shop at 51a Bottleslow Street from about 1924 until the mid 50's I believe. I remember visiting when rationing was still in force. The surname was Walkaden.
Welly
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No probs! My maternal great grandparents and my maternal grandmother lived at 25 Botteslow Street from sometime between 1904 and 1911 and were still there in 1929- my gt grandfather was a Potters Glost placer- and that was the job he did all his life till he passed away in 1946- potters through and through!
If you have any pictures of what the housing was like in Botteslow Street in the 1920s/30s etc that would be great! I suspect it would have been small terraced housing but it would be great to see- please send me a PM if you have a picture to share. many thanks.
Caroline
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Hi Caroline,
Golly, I expect your ancestors would have bought groceries in my Nan and Grandads shop. I am so sorry I don't have any photos. I wish I had. My father was in the forces and I stayed with my grandparents when we came back from Egypt. They really were typical terraced houses. I wasn't very old but remember going to school for a few weeks. I had to go over a bridge, I think it was over a canal. I have wonderful memories. The toilet was in the yard. I remember Nan heating the iron on the fire before she had an electric iron she plugged into the light socket above the kitchen table. I remember customers knocking on the side door way after closing time because they had forgotten something. Nan bless her never complained.
Just recently someone from the Potteries brought me some oatcakes from "The hole in the wall". Nan used to do them for me with "best" danish bacon and cheese. She also used to give me the "bottoms" of her stout because she said i needed "building up".
They later went "all posh" in the sixties and moved up to Ashbank Werrington which is where I took my children to meet them.
Welly x
Welly
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https://i2-prod.stokesentinel.co.uk/incoming/article5308209.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_SWB_STO_160421MOR_008JPG.jpg
The only bit I've found of Botteslow street. When carried on walking to the bottom,crossed the road,you wern't far off the farm.
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Hi Welly- yes all those memories ring so true with me too- I was born in 1955 and as a young child, Mum and Dad used to take us to visit family in Tunstall and Hanley- we lived on the south coast- and the toilets at the bottom of the back yard, oatcakes, stout- and all such lovely folks. They had a really tough life- I know my mother always counted herself so lucky to have escaped the smoke and the grime when she married dad and moved to Dorset with his work- but she always asked for oatcakes - and loved them with cheese and bacon too! Well it is quite likely that my great grandparents and my Nanna visited your family shop in Botteslow Street- and interesting to know that Botteslow Farm was not so far beyond the end of Botteslow Street- that would make sense. Thank you so much for all your help.
Caroline
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https://mapio.net/images-p/77362160.jpg
Botteslow street..At the bottom beyond the hedges would have been the farm.There's still quite a bit of greenery..You've probably seen this on your travels :)
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Thank you for the wonderful picture! That now completes my research and I will be taking the car down to have a look myself in the next couple of weeks xxxxxx Once again - thank you all so very much.
Caroline
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If you haven't visited yet the following might help. The south end of Botteslow Street meets Leek Road where if you turn right for 50 yards you will see Trentmill Road on the opposite side. The name gives a clue to it's past, as at the bottom of the road was on old flint mill (now demolished) powered by the River Trent. The river here is more of a stream than a river. At the bottom of Trentmill Road there is an unmade track which goes over the river bridge, then under the railway bridge, before climbing a hill. The land on the left was part of the farm, and at the top of the track there is a T junction and the farmhouse entrance was located to the left. I believe that the farm originally formed part of the Berryhill Colliery estate prior to nationalisation in 1947. The colliery closed in 1962 and the site is now an industrial estate. I guess that the farmhouse was demolished in the 1970's when it was occupied by 2 unmarried brothers whose surname was Shufflebottom.
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Welcome to RootsChat John...Are you from that neck of the woods?
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I don't know if you are familiar with the oldmaps online website but if you access the site and enter Bucknall, Stoke-on-Trent you will see a current map of the area and a choice of ordnance survey maps. The 1898 map shows both the flint mill and Botteslow Farm.
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I don't think I know it.
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I've tried but I can't fathom it!
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I tried it. Just typed old maps online. Did a search Bucknall Staffordshire. Great map 1949 - 1953 shows Botteslow Farm. Travel east on the map and it shows Ash Hall. My grandparents moved to a house just above there in the 1960's. after living in Bottleslow Street. :) https://maps.nls.uk/view/91576760 Don't know if this link will work, never tried before, so hope I'm not doing something I shouldn't re. copyright. Guess someone will tell me! Welly
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www.oldmapsonline.org is the site which is free and there is no breach of copywrite.
When the page opens, a map of a wider area of Stoke-on-Trent appears which you can manipulate to move to the area which includes Fenton & Eaton Park. Then, on the right hand side of the screen, a number of Ordnance Survey maps appear made over different years. I chose the 1898 one which is the nearest to your 1901 Census date, but you can look at all of them without logging out. Best of luck.
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The link to the Old Maps is amazing- thank you so so much!
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www.oldmapsonline.org is the site which is free and there is no breach of copywrite.
When the page opens, a map of a wider area of Stoke-on-Trent appears which you can manipulate to move to the area which includes Fenton & Eaton Park. Then, on the right hand side of the screen, a number of Ordnance Survey maps appear made over different years. I chose the 1898 one which is the nearest to your 1901 Census date, but you can look at all of them without logging out. Best of luck.
Ok,I'm thick! I'm only getting old maps of England and Wales on the right hand side..No OS maps ?