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Please help me if you can
Why was she(?) called Roose?
Did she marry "Edmund of Badington? Who was he?
Was she dau of John (1535-1575) and Joan Birle?
Did she have a third bro or just John and William
(IGI M062931)
Many thanks
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Could Roose be Rose? :)
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Or could it be Rous?
And could Badington be Badingham, or Bedingfield?
There are several monuments to the Rous family in Badingham church of St John.
Pat ...
Thanks to Annes for bumping this one ;)
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Thank you both for helpful comments
Yes Roose could be Rose
But in my tree there are only 2 Rose Free and the name Rose only starts to be used after 1850.
Both Roose and Rous are liberally sprinkled in my tree - usually by marriage and dozens of each.
They seem to chop and change spelling randomly.
I suppose when all was done phonetically this is not surprising
Earlier than 1718, when Mary Rous was born to John + Mary in Westleton, Suffolk my knowledge is very vague.
She had 3 brothers
John b 1719
John b 1725
Thomas b 1727
The last 2 married and I have their descendants.
Mary herself died in 1721 and he name was given to a sister, Mary, born later that same year.
So if indeed there is any connection to ancestors
Edmund of Badingham b 23 July 1551 and my Roose Free (chr 17 Aug 1561 at Dallinghoo Dau of John Free + Joan Birle) I have no ideas how to begin to bridge the gap.
Yes it is almost certainly Badingham ( not ton).
Do you know anyone who might kindly look at the gravestones at St John's there for me?
Many thanks
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More info on Joan Birle who married John Free:
According to IGI M062931 this was on 8 Oct 1560 at Dallinghoo.
My Roose was not the only child. She had 2 brothers:
John Free chr 30 July 1569 Dallinghoo
William Free chr 8 July 1572 Dallinghoo
both of whose marriages and children are known
My Roose had also 3 sisters (Rebeccah, Brigett, Marye)
My studies of John Free, father of my Roose Free who married Joan Birle, show that he had 2 brothers and a sister:
Richard b abt 1538
(Who married Ann Gioldersleeve 18 Jan 1558 at St Matthew Ipswich and had dau Margaret who married Jhon Hacon on 2 Feb 1583 at Hacheson, Suffolk)
William b abt 1527
(Who married Pyke on 1 Sep 1549 at St Mary Woodridge)
Agnes b abt 1540
(Who married Robert Edmunds in 1561 at Leiston)
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John Pope has transcibed Badingham church yard, however, I think your dates may be rather early for readable MIs to be found.
There may be memorial plaques inside the church?
John's web site here
http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/badingham.htm
Simon's web site
http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/Badingham.htm
extra photographs can be seen here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisbey/sets/72157625845701391/
and here
http://www.britainexpress.com/attractions.htm?attraction=4871
Pat ...
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Thanks Pat - amazig sites but no Rous(e) yet!
Maybe I should issue a general search appeal for Rouses
If anyone wants mine, I can offer about 200
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I founnd a GREAT site that has a by surname index of all the gravestone inscriptions within UK it has coppied (Yes, thousands of them)
Then I hit the wrong button and a "Speed test" was begun and unstoppable!
So I lost not only the site but all means to find it again!
Any ideas, please?
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The site you're looking for wouldn't be Charles Sale's www.gravestones would it? Esdel I hope you're the person I've searched the web for - you're very keen on the Benhall Rous family and especially interested in the double marriage there in 1809 and Betsy Rudd?
I've been researching this family for 20 years, I have quite a bit of information and a few ideas - love to hear from you
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BINGO, Suffolk Sue B.
Of one post - yet familiar!!!
Humm.......
Yes Charlie Sales - that is he! I remember now (now you told me!).
And well anyway, would you be talkin' of
Rouse Lettie or Thomas or Mary?
Or Rouse Ann who signs Anne
Or Rouse Thomas
Or John Howard, hubby of above Mary
Or Louisa Unknown, wife of Henry Blowers who is related to all my ancestors but not by blood to me!
Betsy Rudd ..... Humm.... makes you think... let me see now, the Wink comes to mind!........
Ah yes, Betsy Rouse (dau of John Rouse and Diana Wink) married a John Rudd on 23 March 1833 at Dunwich thus became your Betsy Rudd.
But so many other Rouseseses
I dunno where to start!
Looking for a marriage in 1809.....
Diana Rouse+ William Hurren
abt then
Hannah Rous + William Free
10 Dec 1812 Holy Trinity Middleton
John Wink Rouse + Martha
about then
John Rouse + Mary Noy
11 jan 1813 Theberton
The Rouses of Wigfield had several children who could have married in 1809
AH - got it
Thomas Rouse (gt grandson of John) married Lettia Rous on
20 Jun 1809 at Benhall
Hannah Rouss + William Read on
20 Oct 1806 Westleton Parish Church
Martha Rouse + Anthony Hurren on
27 Jul 1813 at Westleton
a Lettice Rouse says in 1851 census "Born at Benhall" age 61
Lettice was witness at (her elder sister's) Mary Rous wedding to John Howard at Benhall on 18 Oct 1803
HO107/1802 f649 p19
Benhall
Sarah ROUS, hd, wid, 91, annuitant, bn Blythburgh
Lettice Rous, relative, widow, 61, housekeeper, bn Benhall
Louisa NOLLER, relative, 13, bn Middleton
Margaret Rous, relative, 5, bn Westleton
Lettice was living with William NOLLAR , aged 35, a butcher, and several others of the same surname in Middleton in 1841. HO107/1016/5 f4 p2.
Her son James b 9 May 1813 Westleton married Caroline Wooler in 1855 (dau Margaret 1845)
Her dau Athelinda b 28 March 1810 WEstleton married William Nollar (son James Rous Nollar 1833; dau Louise Nollar 1837)
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Hope we can help each other a bit with the Rouses - although I've been chasing them for 20 years. and every time I think I've got their tail, they throw another puzzle at me!!!
John Wink Rous married Martha Hurren nee Rouse at Westleton 9 July 1819. and Diana Rouse married William Hurren at Yoxford 10 Feb. 1809. Not sure how or if these two Hurrens are related as I haven't worked on them for a long time.
John Wink Rouse also married a Sarah James at Brooke. Norfolk 4 July 1833.
If you look at Benhall on the Charles Sale website there are three entries for Rous - a double one for John Rous (d. 1834) and his first wife Mary (d.1811) also one for another John Rous which I need to check out as the date and details are very clear.
My theory of the Benhall Rous' is that they are connected to the Westleton branch, through Thomas bn. about 1725 and his wife Hannah, or through Thomas's brother John, who died quite young................a long time ago when I was first beginning this research I found something that suggested Thomas and Hannah brought up a nephew named John, but being very green and wet behind the ears I didn't . information!!!
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question # 1
When you say "John Wink Rous married Martha Hurren nee Rouse"
do you mean she was born Rouse, married a Hurren and then amarried John Wink Rous?
Or do you mean she was born Hurren, married a Rouse and them married John Wink Rous?
More later: many thanks: great help!
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Sorry, to clarify - Martha Rouse was the daughter of Thomas Rouse and Sarah Day and bn. 1791 and sister to Thomas Rouse who married Lettice at Benhall in 1809. She married 1. Anthony Hurren and 2. John Wink Rouse. John Wink Rouse being her 1st cousin.
Martha died at Saxmundham iin 1833.
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So that's interestiung!
"My" Martha Rouse b 1791 Westleton of Thomas Rouse and Sarah Day and who married Anthony Hurren on 27 July 1813 at Westleton
COULD BE
the selfsme lady who then (as Hurren) married John Wink Rous
Also you are saying a John Wink Rous married Sarah James at Brooke. Norfolk 4 July 1833.
But "my" Martha Rouse (Hurren) died in 1833!
A bit callous, eh - maybe another John Rous (with or without the Wink)
For the Westleton Rouses I have:
John + Mary m abt 1700
John + Mary m abt 1718 had
Mary 1718-1721
John 1719
Mary 1721
John 1725 m Faith Button abt 1750 and inherited Farm etc from Father John Westleton
Thomas 1727 inherited it too: He married Hannah abt 1750
Yes that Thomas DID have a brother John who DID die young, before the John who married Faith was born
Faith + John'd dau Elizabeth was born 1761 at Westleton.
All 9 of Thomas + Hannah children were born at
Westletun but the very last (William b 1759 at Theberton
This established the Theberton Rouses but I am not sure when or how the Benhall ones came in.
I see that Thomas b 1784 Westleton married Lettia Rouse (chr 13 Mar 1787 Westleton) at Benhall on 20 June 1809 yet her children were both born at Westleton
Benhall is one mile from Saxmundham
Westleton is but 5 miles NE and Leiston 4 miles E
It is probably a matter of Parishes, Districts, record keeping etc
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Please explain how 1st cousins
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Yes, that Martha Rous bn 1791 d/o Thomas Rous and Sarah (Day) married to Anthony Hurren then to John Wink Rous.
Apologies there was a typo in the death date of Martha, she was in fact buried 5 December 1924 at Westleton, aged 33.............hence the typo! For some reason John Wink and his son John settled in Brooke Norfolk sometime after the death of Martha - see 1841 and 1851 census for Brooke, Norfolk.
John Rous was married to Mary Curdy before he married Faith Button. It is from his first marriage I suspect there may have been a son (possibly a John) - but no proof so far. In John Rous Snr's will there are two farms, the one at Westleton left to his son John and the one at Theberton to Thomas, Johns brother. Somehow, after the early death of John both farms seem to move into the hands of his younger brother Thomas.
The first five of the children of Thomas Rous and his wife Hannah were baptised at Theberton, John 1754, Thomas 1756, Hannah 1757, William 1759 and English 1760.
I too haven't been able to establish how the family went to Benhall - I suspect from the John Rous (brother of Thomas) who died young.......but there seem either to be gaps in parish records or the family lived in another parish I have yet to find.
Lettice Rous who married one of the Thomas Rouses in 1809 I think was baptised in Benhall in 1786 d/o John Rous and Mary Crow. It is this John Rous and Mary I believe are buried in Benhall Churchyard. This John married Sarah Goose in 1813 at Woodbridge. Woodbridge being quite close to where the other Thomas Rouse of the 1809 double marriage was living.
I would presume that Thomas and Lettice settled in Westleton after their marriage as that was where Thomas had the farm. Although it seems that Lettice never really lost touch with Benhall, she was housekeeper to her mother in law there in 1851
with two granchildren staying with her and Sarah (Day).
Gosh, I've had to think while writing this - not having worked on the family for quite some time.
I see you also have an interest in the Free family...........another one of mine. I bought a document on ebay for this family and donated a copy of it the the RO, it lays out how the land and money around Middleton reached the Free family - best read with a clear head though ;)
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WOW - The FREE family: please send all you have, it is my main lot! I can't wait.
In Middleton alone I have 57 Frees (and 29 Rouses)
I am still confused by your "double marrieage of 1809"
I only have the 20 June one!
Now according to my tree this was between
Thomas Rose b 1784 Westleton, died there 1841 (Son of Thomas Rouse and Sarah Day)
+
LETTIA Rouse.
Now everything about my Lettia AGREES with your Lettice EXCEPT she is d/o William Rous b 1760 and Caroline Calver
In my notes on this Lettia your Lettice features:-
"A Lettice Rouse says in 1851 census "Born at Benhall" age 61
Lettice was witness at (her elder sister's) Mary Rous wedding to John Howard at Benhall on 18 Oct 1803
HO107/1802 f649 p19
Benhall
Sarah ROUS, hd, wid, 91, annuitant, bn Blythburgh
Lettice Rous, relative, widow, 61, housekeeper, bn Benhall
Louisa NOLLER, relative, 13, bn Middleton
Margaret Rous, relative, 5, bn Westleton
Lettice was living with William NOLLAR , aged 35, a butcher, and several others of the same surname in Middleton in 1841. HO107/1016/5 f4 p2.
Now"Witness at her aelder sister's wedding" - see above is a BIG CLUE.
It is POSSIBLE Lettia and lettice are not one and the same person!
But all that my notes say about such a wedding is:-
18 Oct 1803 at Benhall
a John? Howard
married
a Mary? Rous?
and they had dau
Caroline Howard b 1824 in Sternfield, Suffolk
who married Sternfield Rowe Freeman
and they had dau Betsy Freeman.
THIS BETSY FREEMAN links strongly with my Free Family!
She was born at Friston in 1848 and MARRIOED Simon Baker Hunt Free and produced NINE Free sons and a daughter to bolster my line!
My Frees go back to John Free +Joan Birle married 8 Oct 1560 Dallinghoo
and Joan's mother was probably a Rouse (maybe her name was Rouse Rouse)
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Butting in with a thought ;)
Lettice is usually shortened to Lettie, I wonder if Lettia is a mistranscription for Lettie?
Pat ...
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Thanks for the input..........as I expect you've gathered the Rouses can shorten anything to anything if they were in the mind and were sadly lacking in imagination when choosing names for their offspring. Never was there such an awkward family :o)
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Darn it!! Just wrote loads and then lost it!!!! So I'll Have to start again!
Double Marriage at Benhall 20 June 1809
Thomas Rous sotp and Ann Rous also sotp married by Licience. Both signed. Witt Thomas Rous and Hannah Rous
Also the same day
Thomas Rous sotp and Lettice Rouse sotp by Banns. Thomas signed Lettice by mark. Witts Thomas Rous and Hannah Rous.
It appears (by the handwriting) that the bridegrooms witnessed each other and Thomas who married Lettice had a sister Hannah so she could have been the other witness.
Also the signature of Thomas who married Lettice appears to be very similar to the Thomas Rous who was involved in taking the 1841 census.
In 1841 Thomas (who married Lettice) is with his son James and daughter in law Caroline at Chatburn Farmhouse, Westleton, also there at this census was Thomas' mother Sarah (Day). For some reason Lettice was in Middleton visiting daughter Athelinda and her husband William Nollar.
In 1851 Lettice was in Benhall acting as housekeeper to a Sarah Rous - until today I'd thought this to be Sarah Rous (Day), but it's now clearer....................the Sarah Rous mentioned has to be her step mother Sarah (Goose).
Somehow Lettice being the daughter of William Rous and Catherine Calver doesn't feel right - if that were the case than surely this Lettice would state her place of birth as Westleton rather than Benhall. Also there is a baptism at Benhall in 1786 for a Lettice the daughter of John Rous and Mary Crow.
Don't you just love these Rouses?!!!
I haven't seen the marriage of Mary Rous of Benhall in 1803 where Lettice is a witness (lots for me to do at the RO next time I'm there) but I'm very familiar with the name Betsy Freeman - in fact I have a picture of her somewhere. This link somehow makes beautiful sense somehow - but need to think it through.
But I'm sure our 'Lettice/Letta' is the lady baptised at Benhall and who married Thomas Rous and went on to be the parents of James and Athelinda Rous.
William Rous and Catherine have always been in the shadows........although they must belong to the Westleton clan I've never found anything that suggests they are closely linked. Having said that the Rouses always give me a headache!
I have several wills, which should link them all together, but they don't - there is a piece of the jigsaw missing, and I can't find out which piece it is!!!!
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Thanks Sue - a great help
But do we know anything about Thomas + Ann of the 20 June !809 Benhall marriage?
I have no children - indeed they are never heard of again!
Are you sure it is Catherine Calver? I have her as Caroline Calver.
My Lettie may be an error but DOES have her own christening date. It is dau of William and Carolie Calver christened on 13 Mar 1867 at Westleton.
So MAYBE there really were two gals: Lettice of Benhall and Lettie of Westleton
Would you please explain this bit: you say
"In 1851 Lettice was in Benhall acting as housekeeper to a Sarah Rous - until today I'd thought this to be Sarah Rous (Day), but it's now clearer....................the Sarah Rous mentioned has to be her step mother Sarah (Goose). "
My problem is seeing the step mother bit. For all I have on Sarah Goose is this - nothing else!
"William Rous in around 1785 married Caroline Calver.
Then in 1813 he married a Sarah who had picked up the name Goose from a previous marriage"
So which William Rous(e) is which!
I can offer:
William son of Thomas + Hannah, b 1759 at Teberton, husb of Sarah Wink.
William son of Sarah Rous (wife of Robert Robson) chr 29 Jan 1769 at Clovehithe, Leiston
Willian who married Goose then Calver
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Please anyone, especially Sue, tell me a bit more about the connections between the Rous family and the Free family
Here is what I know (think!) so far:
Roose, Charles William
(s/o William David Roose + Sarah Ann Clarke)
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Free, Ethel Mary Elizabeth Maud
(d/o William George + Harriet Blowers)
married on 25 Jun 1913
at St Peter Theberton Suffolk
(they had 6 Rouse children)
posibly Rouse, Edmund of Badingham
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Free, Roose (chr Dallinghoo on 17 Aug 1561 and d/o John Free + Joan Birle)
children unknown
Free, William
(s/o William Free + Mary Barker)
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Rous, Hannah
(d/o John Rouse + Diana Wink)
on 10 Dec 1812
at Holy Trinity Middleton
(they had 11 Free children)
Free, Simon Baker Hunt
(illeg of John Hunt + Caroline Cole
chr 3 Jun 1849, d 5 May 1922)
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Freeman, Betsy
(d/o Sternfield Rowe Freeman + Caroline Howard
and gdau of the Mary Rous of Benhall who
married John Howard at Benhall 18 Oct 1803)
(They had these children:
Richard Freeman Free abt 1872 - had 9 children
Arthur John Free 1874
Ethel Agnes Free 1877
Ernest Baker Free 1879 - had 6 children
Simon Baker Free 1879
Samuel Francis Free 1881 - wife Amy Barham
Herbert Free 1884 - had 10 children
Jethro Free 1886 - had 2 children
Alfred Charles Free 1888
Robert Free 1889 - Had Dulcie with Florence Pipe
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The only one I can't confirm is Edmund as I've not done too much work on the FREE family - although my husband's grandmother was a FREE and they are an interesting family to research. I'm sure you know that they were Quakers, and then I came across a baptism at Middleton for one of the Frees which mentioned this. Also they were literate at a time when many working people were not - I don't know if it was because they were Quaker but I have been reliably informed that one the FREE family taught a good proportion of Middleton to read and write. When I have time I'll try and find my notes.
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Yes, one of we Frees was a schoolmaster.
That is from memory as I have NO HOPE of finding out which one except by reading the whole family tree!
Let me know if you find anything at all about Edmund as he is pushig the ancient frontiers of my Frees
Quakers, maybe - but NOT if that means "well behaved". There were some right funny goings on among the gravestones, I am told
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Esdel I've just checked the Westleton fiche and William's wife was Catherine. However looking at her surname again I'm not s0 sure it isn't CARVER rather than CALVER.
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Calver and Carver are often the same name, depends who wrote down what they thought they had heard ::)
Said aloud, especially the owd Suffolk way, they dew sound the same!
Pat ...
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Esdel I've just checked the Westleton fiche and William's wife was Catherine. However looking at her surname again I'm not s0 sure it isn't CARVER rather than CALVER.
Are you sure it is Catherine Calver? I have her as Caroline Calver.
Please verify WHICH William you are talking about and WHEN he married Calver/Carver and how many wives he had after her and if a later wife was a Goose by HER earlier marriage and what name she was born with.
This is vital as some William Rous marriage to a Caroline Calver produced Lettia Rous chr 13 March 1786 at Westleton Parish Church
Maybe this Lettia is NOT Lettice chr 1786 at Benhall
I think Lettia's parents were William Rous + Caroline Calver while Lettice's parents were John Rous + Mary Crowe
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I've just been through the fiche for Westleton again - William Rous' wife was definitely Catherine. Their marriage is recorded in the PR so clearly and in a good hand that it's impossible to mistake it for anything else. At their marriage 16 August 1774 Catherine's surname is written as Calver, but at the baptism of Letitia it could be Carver.
William and Catherine had three known children - Elizabeth baptised 1778, Richard baptised 1783 and Letitia baptised 1787, all at Westleton. This William Rous (seen in the PR's with and without the 'e') is a puzzle, he cannot belong to Thomas who married Hannah as their son William was baptised in 1759 and married Sarah Wink at Laxfield in 1783. Also William s/o Thomas and Hannah would have been too young to marry in 1774, well maybe not too young but it would be highly unlikely.
I've never found another marriage for William after the death of Catherine in 1808.
Lettice Rous baptised at Benhall in 1786 the daughter of John Rous and Mary (Crow) it was this Lettice who married Thomas Rous (son of Thomas Rous and Sarah Day) in 1809. In the census of 1841 Lettice was staying with her daughter Athelinda (who married William Nollar) at Middleton, Then at the next census in 1851 Lettice (by then a widow) was living at Benhall with a Sarah Rous aged 91. Also there were two grandchildren of Lettice Rous - Louisa Nollar and Margaret Rous (daughter of Lettice's son James). Lettice is described as being 'housekeeper', and as I said previously it suddenly struck me that Sarah Rous wasn't her mother in law, but her step mother, the second wife (previously Sarah Goose) of her father John Rous. Lettice also gives she was born at Benhall. I should add that Sarah Goose, the second wife of John Rous was mentioned in his will, stating that she was to have rooms in their house at Benhall, any household 'bits and pieces' she wanted and an income paid every quarter!
Having spent many hours poring over the PR's for Westleton it appears there must have been two Rouse families - or at least two (or more) branches of the same family.............I have never been able to get my head around where (for instance) William Rous and Catherine fit in, or other Rous people that don't appear to connect to the Rouses I'm familiar with. I have all the wills that should connect these people, and they don't!
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William and Catherine had three known children - Elizabeth baptised 1778, Richard baptised 1783 and Letitia baptised 1787, all at Westleton.
The mystery deepens.
Lets hope it is the darkening before the storm that clears the air!!! Have faith!
Your "3 known children" I know NOTHING of!
BUT
I DO HAVE
1. Richard Rous married Susanna Biddell only thing known is they had children:
Thomas Rous b 2 Nov 1812 Therefore COULD have been born 1783. He was chr at Bradfield St George Suffolk and died 13 March 1814
His brother was Thomas Biddell Rous b 1816 died 1917
2. Elizabeth Rous. My only Elizabeth Rous was chr 15 Feb 1778 at Covehithe and dau of James Rouse and Susanna Wright.
James was born 1741 at Covehithe and Susanna also b 1741. They had 10 children (1765 to 1789) in addition to Elizabeth - no Thomas
So I am still at a loss where to put your Lettice.
I agree with you a William Rous married a Catherine, so have entered a NEW William Rous who married Catherine Calver on 16 Aug 1774 and produced a Lettice chr 1774 at Westleton
Under that NEW entry I have put all your notes and comments because I find them convincing
I note you are calling Lettice by the name Letitia and I DO HAVE a Lettitia - but she was dau of Sir John of Henham Hall wth her sisters Hannah b 1705 Wangford Leiston and Madam Mary also Wangham 1710
If you are serching for a William to marry in 1774, how about Wiliam Rous son of John Rous and Sarah Martin. He was born Dec 1755 at Covehithe, Leiston and seems to be a bachelor.
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Having worked on the Theberton/Westleton and latterly the Benhall Rous family for almost 20 years my faith is faltering ;-) There are so many Rouses at Westleton that I can't place, and yet their ancestors must belong together at some point in history. I've also tried putting a tree together for the Rouses living at Westleton in the 1600's and just can't make it work how you'd think it should............eventually I have to give up for another few months as it drives me mad!
Now, the Covehithe family..............the only one of 'our' Rouses I know of who lived at Covehithe was a Benjamin Rouse born to Sarah Rous about 1813, Sarah was the daughter of William Rouse and Sarah Wink & baptised 1796 she died soon after Benjamin was born aged 18. It would seem natural for Benjamin to move somewhere where he had relations, therefore I've studied the PR for Covehithe very carefully, but I've never been able to tie the Rouses there with our Rouses at Westleton etc. That's not to say they aren't connected in some way, just that there doesn't seem to be an obvious link.
As I'm convinced that Lettice Rous, baptised at Benhall and who married Thomas in 1809 was the daughter of John Rous and Mary Crowe I've been able to add her to my Rous tree through her husband Thomas. Letitia daughter of William Rous and Catherine Calver is another story - I think it would help to make a 'mini tree' so perhaps some of my Rous 'spares' will fit in there and hopefully some time someone will discover who this William belongs to.
On one level I feel perhaps our Rouses did come from Henham, but so far I've not found a thing to support this, so if it was the case it was obviously earlier than 1600.
By the way - Lettice was the one baptised at Benhall and Letitia was baptised at Westleton (to William and Catherine). To confuse things I've also found our Lettice of Benhall being called Letta - no wonder they give me a headache!
The wills - the earliest I have is that of Thomas Rous dated 1728 who mentions his son Thomas and grandchildren by him and daughter Ann Paul. I also have an inventory that goes with this will listing the property in his house, this inventory was carried out by a Mr Woods and John Rous - it would seem that John Rous was his grandson and probably the father of Thomas who married Hannah and his brother John who died young. I also have one of John Rous who was definitely the father of Thomas and John, also Thomas's will and a couple of others from Westleon. plus of course that of John Rous of Benhall (Lettice's father). So far I've not found any information to back up my theory that Thomas Rous of the 1728 will was the grandfather of John (father of Thomas and John).
Where does Thomas Rous and Susannah fit in? I haven't come across them before.
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Regarding the Rous family of Henham Hall, you will find a little bit of their history on the Henham Hall website.
http://www.henhampark.com/history
Pat ...
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Regarding the Rous family of Henham Hall, you will find a little bit of their history on the Henham Hall website.
http://www.henhampark.com/history
Pat ...
What a GREAT find and contribution, Pat!
Many thanks!
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Now, the Covehithe family..............the only one of 'our' Rouses I know of who lived at Covehithe was a Benjamin Rouse born to Sarah Rous about 1813, Sarah was the daughter of William Rouse and Sarah Wink & baptised 1796 she died soon after Benjamin was born aged 18. It would seem natural for Benjamin to move somewhere where he had relations, therefore I've studied the PR for Covehithe very carefully, but I've never been able to tie the Rouses there with our Rouses at Westleton etc. That's not to say they aren't connected in some way, just that there doesn't seem to be an obvious link.
Sue, your points are so interesting I have to take them one at a time
So this is about Covehithe
I am not sure what you mean by obvious link, for my Covehithes are connected:-
Thomas Rous b Westleton 1638 married Martha b there abt 1630
Their son Thomas b there 1656
married Anne b there abt 1656
Their son Thomas b there 1686
married Sarah of Covehithe
They had 7 children including
John who married Sarah Martin of Covehithe
John and Sarah had 6 children :-
John chr 24 Aug 1744 Covehithe
Sarah chr 25 Dec 1750 Covehithe
Elizabeth chr 7 May 1753 Covehithe
Esther chr same day and place
William chr 29 Dec 1755 Covehithe
James chr Dec 1741 Covehithe who married Susanna Wright
That James + Susanna had 11 children all Covehithe
Yes I have a Benjamin:-
Mine was born at Theberton 1813 and married Mary Ann Eves at Rushmore Parish Church 4 Oct 1845
He is son of Sarah Rouse (dau b 22 Oct 1796
to William Rouse and Sarah Wink)
This Benjamin and wife Mary Eves had 5 children all born in Covehithe
As for Lettice in her various guises, you have straightened me out completely and I am so grateful (and only hope I might in the end say something that helps you as much as you have me)
I will study your wills and reply to that later.
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By obvious link I meant that I found nothing that led me back to the known Rouses at Westleton. It looks as though I need to get to the RO and have another look at the PR's for Covehithe. Could you tell me how they fit into the Westleton family so I can check it out. My late mother in law talked about the Covehithe Rouses, but can't remember what she said or meant, although she also told me when I first started researching her family that 'there were Rouses at Middleton, but they were nothing to do with us'. Even when I'd proved they were I'm sure she never quite believed me.
It's the same Benjamin, that's good.................you probably already know that his wife Mary Ann born Southwold, married at Rushmere,St Michael, Suffolk 1845 and died at Holbrook, Suffolk 11 March 1868. Benjamin then married Emma Wright in 1872 and Bessie born 1874 and James born 1882 were added to his family. Benjamin and Emma are found in later census' living Horseheath, Cambridgeshire.
So pleased I was able to explain about Lettice and Letitia clearly - it's not easy without repeating youself all the time.
All for now
Sue
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Sue, the Westletons married into the Covehithes and several of them then established a Rouse branch at Covehithe like this:
Thomas Rous b Westleton 1638 married Martha b there abt 1630
Their son Thomas b Westleton 1656
married Anne b there abt 1656
Their son Thomas b Westleton 1686
married Sarah of Covehithe
They had 7 children including
John who married Sarah Martin of Covehithe
John and Sarah had 6 children :-
John chr 24 Aug 1744 Covehithe
Sarah chr 25 Dec 1750 Covehithe
Elizabeth chr 7 May 1753 Covehithe
Esther chr same day and place
William chr 29 Dec 1755 Covehithe
James chr Dec 1741 Covehithe who married Susanna Wright
That James + Susanna had 11 children all Covehithe
So the shift to Covehithe was when Thomas b Westleton 1686
married Sarah of Covehithe
Their first child, Robert, was born in 1711 so we can guess about when this marriage was.
A thatched church was built at Covehithe in 1672 within the ruins of St Andrews, so they MIGHT have married there.
Covehithe, formerly called North Hales, is in the parish of Blything
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Thank you, I think I'm getting my head around it. Thomas born Westleton 1638 (my records say 1632?) then Thomas born 1656 (whose will I have) and Thomas born 1686 who married Sarah at Covehithe.
Does Thomas born 1686 connect back to Westleton? Also how does John Rous, the father of Thomas who married Hannah connect to the family?
I've booked a seat at the RO on Saturday - and can't wait to see what I may find.
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Sue, all I know of
Thomas born 1656 who with Anne were parents of Thomas born 1686 who married Sarah at Covehithe
is that all these people except Sarah were born at Westleton
As the Parents (Thomas and Martha) of the Thomas b 1656 who married Anne were also both born in Westleton this seems to establish a Westleton family of Rous.
As for
How does John Rous, the father of Thomas who married Hannah connect to the family?
My notes say he was born 1700 at a place called Westlet (which I imagine must be a lazy way of writinmg Westleton). His wife, Mary, was born at Westleton
Good luck at the record office!
Your wills would be a great help if only we could somehow more specifically identify who was who.
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The oldest will I have is for Thomas Rous born 1656 at Westleton which is dated 1728, in this he mentions his son Thomas and daughter Ann Paul (Ann married twice, first to Wm Chambers then to Thomas Paul) and his (second) wife Mary (late Clamp) and he wished to be buried alongside his former wife (which would have been Ann Gooch as Mary was still living). Connected to this will is an inventory taken by E Woods and John Rouse. The next will I have is that of John Rous, who mentions his son Thomas (who married Hannah) and Thomas' brother John who is the one who died young. Thomas was given the farm etc at Theberton, and John the farm etc at Westleton - oddly in later years we find a grandson Thomas in residence at Westleton. I was able to look at the Court Rolls a while ago and it clearly shows when Thomas took over the office (I can't remember what his title was) from his brother John following John's untimely death. What is missing is information connecting Thomas Rous born 1656 to John born about 1700 - but who knows the place and date. It wasn't at Westleton that's for sure...............well sort of sure, the years that are important are virtually unreadable on the parish registers. Something that I've never been able to find out is whether the John Rous of the inventory is the same John Rous of the will. I've compared the signatures and it's possible they could be the same hand - but the first is a strong hand while that on the will is rather hesitant, possibly because John was at the time an ill man.
So we need to know two things - proof that Thomas Rous (bn. 1686) who married Sarah at Covehithe was the son of Thomas born 1856 at Westleton, and secondly the parentage of John Rouse born about 1700. Although I suspect John was born a bit before this as he and his wife Mary had a daughter Mary baptised at Westleton in 1718. (Sadly this Mary must have died an infant as they had another daughter Mary baptised in 1721).
I need all the luck I can get - thanks
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Ipswich Records Office have two earlier Rous of Westleton Wills:
Thomas Rowse of Westleton 1641 W79/105
Martha Rouse widow of Westleton 1685 R75/14 (registered) or W115/19 (original)
They only have a copy of the original of Thomas' Will so you'd need to hope that they have it microfilmed otherwise it's £10 per page digitial image (that's what they quoted me for one the other year). If they've been microfilmed it's a lot cheaper!
I have an interest in the Rous family of Denham but my last direct Rous ancestor died in 1574 and haven't done much work bringing the line forward yet other than obtaining PCC and NCC Wills. I don't have any of the Archdeaconry of Suffolk Wills. There does seem quite a number of Rous families in Suffolk, I would imagine many are related but not necessarily all as it's not that uncommon a name. I have another unrelated Rous line from White Waltham in Berkshire who moved to Great Waltham in Essex in the early 1600s. They're supposed to be related to yet another line in Devon but apparently nobody has been able to find any link.
Nicola