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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Erica Rae on Saturday 28 April 12 11:46 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone!
I am trying to make the connection between a few Rev. J. Burton's I have come across.
I know that Joseph Burton born in 1835 Nassau, Bahamas was my great great grandfather. His father was Rev. Joseph Burton (first Baptist Missionary to the Bahamas) b. 11 Dec 1801 in Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts.
I have come across a Rev. Joshua Burton, born in Foxton I believe, who I think may be his Rev. Joseph Burton's father. I think he may at a stage also been a Rev in Barnaby? I also have seen mentioned another Rev. Joshua Burton who could possibly have been his grandfather? Unfortunately, I haven't found enough information to connect the dots?
I would appreciate any help anyone could give me.
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Hello.... :)
I also have Baptists in Nottinghamshire and some of the records haven't survived, so where to start? and it is difficult trying to get enough information to join the dots.
It does strike me that the Joshua Burtons are related....
It seems that there have been two Joshua Burton's serving as ministers at Sutton in Ashfield and by the looks of it one having died and likely buried there... I don't know if there are any surviving burial records, I haven't seen any and the Baptist Chapel is long gone.
If you haven't seen these articles they might help with dates.... and some of the places begin to make sense such as the Particular Baptists records you have been given on another thread say "place of abode as Leeds and from one of the links below mentions Bramley ,Yorkshire (which is West Leeds), and one Joshua dies in 1817 and the other in 1830..... it would be handy if we knew their ages at death... :-\
Re - Sutton in Ashfield - Particular Baptists
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/bq/04-8_372.pdf
Joshua Burton became pastor on 25 October 1785, dismissed
from Bramley in Yorkshire......
1789, when in the little meeting at Nottingham Carey urged
that we must expect great things from God, Attempt great things
for God. Next year Burton left for Foxton, and so came near
to Kettering, where in 1792 he had the joy of promising half a
guinea as a founder of the Particular Baptist Society for the
Propagation of the Gospel among the Heathen.
Whitehead was succeeded in 1815 by Joshua Burton, son
of the third pastor; but he died at the end of 1817.
(Note: Joseph Whitehead died of consumption at the early age of 27 years, and was interred in the burial-ground attached to the Particular Baptist Chapel in 1811)
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http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/bq/01-4_158.pdf
Joshua Burton had brought to Foxton something learned
from Abraham Booth at Sutton-in-Ashfield.
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History of the Baptist Churches in Connection with the Leicestershire Association
http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/british.leicestershire.html
= Foxton
Mr. Joshua Burton commenced his labours at Foxton in October, 1790, when the church consisted of only eighteen members, all of whom were deceased in the year 1823. After a pastorate of forty years, about the same number remained at the time of his death, which took place in 1830
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Hello Shiela,
Thank you so very much for all your help.
So sorry I haven't responded until now, I haven't seemed to have a second (I have 2 small children and have just started a new job!). Just not enough hours in the day!!!
I would very much appreciate any help you help or clues you could assist me with.
Kindest regards,
Stacy
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Hello Stacy... :)
You are welcome to the help but bear with me.... I had some stuff typed up and some gremlin has eaten it! ;D
I will have to go over everything again and retype it all..... but here is a start.
Non Conformist Records (via Ancestry)
MARY BURTON - born 27th June 1773 - baptism 28th July 1773 at Bramley - father JOSHUA BURTON
JOSHUA BURTON - born 30th Jan 1775 - baptism 18th Sept 1775 - father JOSHUA BURTON
ANN BURTON -born 28th Sept 1776 - baptism 18th Sept 1775 - father Joshua Burton
The above baptism of Joshua and Mary according to BMDRegisters took place at - Register of Births and Baptisms at Queen Street Independent Chapel (formerly Whitehall Chapel) in Leeds, Yorkshire from 1756 to 1791
What is really interesting is the entries are the exact same dates for Joshua and Ann who were also recorded at Sutton in Ashfield, Particular Baptists..... you have already been given the details on your other thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,573922.msg4262605.html#msg4262605
So, it is looking like Joshua Burton senior brought his family from the Leeds area to Sutton in Ashfield.
Sheila.
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Oh Shiela, I can't thank you enough! You are putting so much work into this for me! At the moment my time is not my own, so am collecting it all until I have a moment to put all the pieces together - hopefully in the next couple of weeks!
It is so frustrating, as I want to get stuck in!!!!
How fascinating, so you think they may have come from Leeds?? Wow, that is going to open some new doors to research....
Would you mind PMing me your email address?
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A little bit more...... :)
Excerpts from the book "A History of Sutton in Ashfield", by George G Bonser (a local historian of his day)
The Particular (or Strict) Baptist Society.
The early records of this society have disappeared, the only authentic register dating 1779, the earlier part having been copied from the fragmentary evidence by J. Burton, the Minister, probably.
It is of rag-made paper, bound in parchment, sixteen and a quarter inches high, and six inches wide.
The first two pages give the persons dying and who were buried in our Meeting House Yard
Some of the names of the Church Members.....
Peter Fletcher, Joseph Hickton,Mary Hickton, John Hickton, Hannah Unwin, John Whitehead, Sarah Wright, Matthew Wright, ... Beardsmore, Nickalson, Stenson, Hardwick Wharmby, Joseph Radford, Tealor. Earp, Birks, Farnsworth.......
Pastors of the Church
1760 - Abraham Booth
1770 - Edward Briggs, from Stanton
A memo March 15th 1778 that day a dissolution is made of the pastorall office of Edward Briggs.
1778 - 24th April. This day Mr Joshua Burton came to Sutton to exercise his Ministerial Gifts among us.
1778 - 25th October - This day Mr Joshua Burton was received into the Church Fellowship. He died 30th December 1816 - He seems to have become a General Baptist.
1794 - 16th February - Mr Briggs came to Sutton with his family from Burton
1801 - 15th February - The Church agreed to give Brother John Whitehead the Pastoral Charge... on 28th April he accepted.
John Whitehead, Pastor of this Church died 16th February 1814.
Mr Burton appears to have acted as Deacon to Mr Whitehead.
....... the list does continue after this.
Register of Burials has a total of 24 person from 1775 to 1787.... but no Burton's... mostly names from the above Church Members list.
Still have a few more bits to be added......
Sheila.
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Shiela, that is absolutely fascinating!
I really can't thank you enough! OOohhhhh......
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Last bit for now :D
BAPTIST & Marriages
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/bapt.html
Baptists recorded the births of children and the baptism of adults. Few Baptist records survive from before 1688. There are many registers of births, baptisms and burials, but very few marriages were recorded before 1754. After 1754 Baptists had to marry in Anglican churches and so should be recorded in their registers. Baptist marriages became legal again in 1837 if a civil registrar was in attendance.
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Some of the names I mentioned in reply 5 now seem relevant.......
We know that JOSHUA BURTON was married to a Mary as that is the name given in the registers.
But it wouldn't surprise me that this could be a remarriage after Joshua came to Sutton in Ashfield.
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Marriage at St Mary's, Sutton in Ashfield - 15th May 1780
JOSHUA BURTON & MARY UNWIN, both of this parish.
Married in this Church by Banns, Legally published, 15th May 1780, by me Tho's Cursham curate.
This marriage was solemnized between us
Joshua Burton and the mark of Mary Unwin x
In the presence of: William Radford & Thomas Wright
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Definitely a remarriage for Joshua but possibly his third?
MARRIAGE at Foxton - 16th July 1806 - by License
JOSHUA BURTON, Wid, of the parish - (Dissenting Minister)
& MARY BLACKWELL of St Mary le Bow, London.
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Marriage at St Mary's, Sutton in Ashfield - 24th January 1799
JOSHUA BURTON & ELIZABETH HICKTON, both of this parish, were married in this Church by Banns.
Hence legally published this twenty fourth of January in the year of our Lord 1799
By me Tho's Hurt, curate.
This marriage was solemnized between us - JOSHUA BURTON & ELIZABETH HICKTON
In the presence of Joseph Hickton & Tho's Dove.
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It is with great interest that I respond to this thread of so long ago. Whilst assisting my aunt yesterday in researching the surnames of one our family tree, we decided to look further back for any more information on another member of the tree, the Rev. Joshua Burton. Indeed, my aunt has a letter, which references either Mary or Ann Burton as being the addressees grandmother, who during her younger years had seen John Wesley preach at about the time he created the Methodist Church.
We sadly haven't been able to go any further back than the Burton's, but our branch of this family subsequently found it's way to Daventry, then to Glossop and finally to Salford in Greater Manchester.
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And a tad more info...
Rev Joshua Burton's daughter, Elizabeth, married William Renals of Nottingham 2 Jan 1835. She was a Sutton-in-Ashfield girl, and so I would guess they married there. The date comes from Burke's Peerage (1914 edition) as William and Elizabeth's son Joseph became Lord Mayor of London and ended up Sir Joseph Renals, 1st Baronet. Be nice to see if that marriage entry is in the Anglican registers. Didn't know about that quirk!
By the way, the Renals were Particular Baptists too, in Nottingham.
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Hello.... :)
It seems Tribec's post has been missed.... a belated welcome to Rootschat!
Thanks for adding to the information and every bit helps in building the picture and for other researchers looking in the future.
Postheath.... nice find of yours re Elizabeth Burton!
This must be the marriage you refer to....
Marriage at NOTTINGHAM St Nicholas, 2nd January 1835
William RENALS & Elizabeth BURTON
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That's the marriage, thank you! Add that to the tree :)
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You are welcome :)
I see there was a marriage Bond for William Renals and Elizabeth Burton which can be obtained from Manuscripts and Special Collections - Kings Meadow Campus, Lenton Lane, Nottingham, NG7 2NR.
email: mss-library@nottingham.ac.uk
http://mss-cat.nottingham.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Roles&dsqCmd=Search.tcl
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Thank you Postheath for the further information, indeed it came as I was on the phone to my aunt in Canada. I am hoping that my aunt can find what we know of the Burton family, and send it on to me. I failed to pick up that branch of our tree whilst out in Canada this summer.
We have still failed to find any further information with regard Joshua Burton snr. I think some research in Bramley/Leeds might be necessary to find further information out. I will also ask my aunt for a copy of the letter previously mentioned.
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All looking good! Be interesting to see where this leads!
From the census records, Elizabeth seems to have been born around 1812 (so the license info must mean just 'over 21') and that should narrow down who her mother is. If anyone needs it, Elizabeth died 24 Jan 1890 (according to Burke's peerage) in Nottingham.
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We know from another thread about the Burton's that Joshua snr, and this family loved naming children after each other which makes it confusing, married a woman called Elizabeth, however I doubt this is the one and the same. Now Snr, had 3 children, 2 daughters and a son (Joshua jnr), and as neither daughter was called Elizabeth, I'm going to hazard a guess that Joshua jnr, who was born in 1775, was Elizabeth's dad. I haven't got the information at hand, as to whom he married or perhaps someone else might.
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I did give a few marriage details including this one in #reply 7 of this thread.
Marriage at St Mary's, Sutton in Ashfield - 24th January 1799
JOSHUA BURTON & ELIZABETH HICKTON, both of this parish, were married in this Church by Banns.
Hence legally published this twenty fourth of January in the year of our Lord 1799
By me Tho's Hurt, curate.
This marriage was solemnized between us - JOSHUA BURTON & ELIZABETH HICKTON
In the presence of Joseph Hickton & Tho's Dove.
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That's the one I was making reference to, though I didn't think we were sure if that wasn't senior or junior.
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Not sure if it will be any help, but so you have the link
http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/default.htm
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A huge thank you for all the messages and info, it is greatly appreciated!
I have come to the same conclusion, Tribec, that Joshua jnr (dob. 1775) was Elizabeth's Dad....
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Thought I would post this synthesis that I understand from all the threads and postings here (and a couple more I've found from Google Books)...
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Joshua Burton, senior...
(Later indications he was a Yorkshireman)
1773-1776 Births of Joshua's children in Leeds (Joseph, Joshua, Ann), mother unnamed
1785 'Joshua Burton became pastor on 25 October 1785, dismissed from Bramley in Yorkshire' [the year must to be erroneus - should be 1778] (Journey = 65 miles)
1788 'This day Mr Joshua Burton came to Sutton to exercise his Ministerial Gifts among us' 24th April
1788 'This day Mr Joshua Burton was received into the Church Fellowship.' 25 October
1790 left for Foxton, Leics (Journey = 58 miles), commencing there October
(Note SiA Birth dates are in different hand after 1790)
1792 Joshua Burton 'came near' to Kettering, Northants (journey = 15 miles)
1806 Marriage at Foxton - 16th July 1806 - by License [Joshua Burton, Wid, of the parish - (Dissenting Minister) & Mary Blackwell of St Mary le Bow, London]
1819 'List of monies received ... by Baptist Missionary Society ... 1819' 'Foxton ... by Rev. Joshua Burton 7.0.0 [L.s.d.]' (Baptist Magazine, 1819)
1821 'A funeral service was also preached for him [Rev. John Ayer, aged 81] at Braybrook by his aged and intimate friend, the Rev. Joshua Burton' (Memoir of the late Rev. John Ayer, Baptist Magazine, 1822)
1830 'Mr. Joshua Burton ... After a pastorate of forty years ... at the time of his death, which took place in 1830.' (History of the Baptist Churches in Connection with the Leicestershire Association, 1865)
So Joshua Burton, senior seems to be living c1750 [guesswork] to 1830. His only known connection with Sutton in Ashfield is for the years 1788-1790.
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Joshua Burton, junior...
1775 Birth at Bramley Leeds - 30 January 1775 (followed by Baptism 18 September 1775) to Joshua Burton, father.
1788 Arrival at Sutton in Ashfield with family.
1790? Relocation to Foxton with family? Only aged 15! Or did he stay with siblings in SiA?
1793-1799? Arrival (if not in SiA already) at Sutton in Ashfield as adult?
1799 Marriage at St Mary, Sutton in Ashfield - 24th January 1799 - by Banns [Joshua Burton & Elizabeth Hickton, both of this parish]
1799 Birth of first child, Mary, born 3 December 1799 at Sutton in Ashfield (in register)
1801 Birth of second child, Joshua, born 11 December 1801 at Sutton in Ashfield (in register)
1801-1814 Joshua Burton seems to act as Deacon to John Whitehead
1812 Birth of another child, Elizabeth, born 1812(cal) at Sutton in Ashfield (in Burke's Peerage/censuses)
1815 Succeeds John Whitehead (d 1814) as Pastor
1817 Dies at end of 1817 (at Sutton in Ashfield?)
So we can be pretty sure that Joshua Burton was living 1775 to 1817, and was Pastor in SiA for three years 1815-17.
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1) The 'birth' register for SiA seems to be a register of all children in his congregation, drawn up c1790 by Joshua. Possibly from older records, possibly orally from their parents. Later pastors seemed to add onto the last page until 1810, probably contemporaneously as these entries are in different hands.
2) The 1780 wedding seems to be a red herring - it's after the birth of JD(sen)'s children and before he seems to have arrived in Notts.
3) The line '1778 - 25th October - This day Mr Joshua Burton was received into the Church Fellowship. He died 30th December 1816 - He seems to have become a General Baptist.' can't be right on my reading. It wrongly jumps from JB(sen) to JB(jun). But is JB(jun)'s death 1816 or 1817 - where is the reference?
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So, any corrections or additions to the above?
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Thanks Postheath that seems to be about right, I need this letter from my aunt though, as my memory seems to think that the children stayed elsewhere when father moved. I may well be wrong and it might be a different generation. Once I get a copy I'll let you know that one.
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Well, that would be logical if true. JB(sen) goes off forging new territory in Leics, and his three kids are looked after safely in an established community at SiA. And of course we don't know when his first wife died - he could have been a widower by then, making it even more logical to leave his children behind with the good women of Notts.