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Hi
I am looking for more information regarding Mary Margret Darragh born 1909 in Coleraine, I have her in the 1911 census in Derry and would be grateful if anyone can tell me if she married or point me in the right direction to find out myself.
Many thanks
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Where was she in 1911?
Unfortunately online records are unlikely to be recent enough to find more details about her. Online civil registration index only goes up to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties so unless she married very young you won't find the marriage listed.
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I think that she was in Londonderry, I have the census saved to my computer but for some reason it does not have the address in the same way that my english ones do. She is with her mother and father. I did ask this question in 2009 ( http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,427221.0.html) and someone came up with 2 marriages one in 1926 and one in 1934 (see below) but I do not know where they got this information from. I would also like to know if she had any siblings born after the census and if she is one of the below, then how would I find out if she had any children?
If you can advise me where would be best to look I would be grateful.
Many thanks
Marriage 16 Jun 1926 Kilrea Roman Catholic Church
Daniel MCALLISTER & Margaret DARRAGH
Marriage 13 Feb 1934 Kilrea Roman Catholic Church
Frank MCKENNA & Mary DARRAGH
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I searched the 1911 census yesterday for a female Darragh age c2 years in Co. Londonderry and came up with several but they didn't match what you originally posted "Mary Margret Darragh." What were her parents' names?
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Ellen (36) and Jospeh (40) Darragh, sorry I do not know where I got the census return from.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Bellaghy/Oldtown__Downing_/607816/
states address as: "Residents of a house 10 in Oldtown (Downing) (Bellaghy, Londonderry)"
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Hi
It looks like Ellen may have married again in 1919:-
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Hi,
That Ellen Darragh married Henry Scullion in St. Marys R.C. Church Rasharkin, Ballymoney on 19 Jun 1919. Her father's name was PATRICK.
Regards
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Your original post said the child was called "Mary Margret" but in 1911 she's "Margret Mary" which is why I couldn't locate her.
Possibly Joseph in 1901- in which case his age is not consistent:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Castledawson/Leitrim/1542074
As I mentioned earlier, online civil registration index only goes up to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties so unless she married very young you won't find a marriage listed and other records are unlikely to be recent enough to find more details about her.
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Have done a bit more digging and may have some new details on the family but before I do any more typing I want to check that we are searching for the correct person.
"Mary Margret Darragh born 1909 in Coleraine"
Do you have her birth certificate? why do you think she was born in Coleraine?
There's a Margaret Jane Darragh birth registration July/Sept.1909 Coleraine registration district and a Margaret Darragh in 1906 also Coleraine district. Neither is likely to be the daughter of Joseph and Ellen.
1911- possibly Margaret Jane Darragh birth 1909 Coleraine district:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Kilrea/Mullan/591879
1911- Margaret Darragh birth 1906 Coleraine district:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Hartford_Place/589513
Most likely birth registration for child of Joseph and Ellen:
Margaret Darragh July/Sept.1908 Magherafelt registration district volume 1 page 698
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Hi,
The second marriage in Ballymoney District may have some merit. On 4 Feb 1900 Joseph Darragh married Ellen McKinnen in St Marys Rasharkin R.C. Church, Ballymoney District. Ellen's father was called Patrick.
Regards
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Hi,
That Ellen Darragh married Henry Scullion in St. Marys R.C. Church Rasharkin, Ballymoney on 19 Jun 1919. Her father's name was PATRICK.
Regards
Hi
Ellen's maiden name was Mckillen and her father was Patrick. So It looks like she married Mr Scullion, I will look for a death.
Many thanks
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Have done a bit more digging and may have some new details on the family but before I do any more typing I want to check that we are searching for the correct person.
"Mary Margret Darragh born 1909 in Coleraine"
Do you have her birth certificate? why do you think she was born in Coleraine?
There's a Margaret Jane Darragh birth registration July/Sept.1909 Coleraine registration district and a Margaret Darragh in 1906 also Coleraine district. Neither is likely to be the daughter of Joseph and Ellen.
1911- possibly Margaret Jane Darragh birth 1909 Coleraine district:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Kilrea/Mullan/591879
1911- Margaret Darragh birth 1906 Coleraine district:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Hartford_Place/589513
Most likely birth registration for child of Joseph and Ellen:
Margaret Darragh July/Sept.1908 Magherafelt registration district volume 1 page 698
I was looking on ancestry and Found Mary Darragh Coleraine, as I explained in my first post I find looking for my Irish relatives very difficult and would be very grateful for some good websites so that I can try and find some more information myself before committing to buying certificates.
I am particularly interested in my maternal line and I would be grateful if you could take a look at names and dates to see if you think I am on the right line?
Many thanks
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The 1919 marriage for Ellen Darragh also lists Ellen McKillen on the same page (the index would include both her maiden and married surnames).
Possible death registration for Joseph Darragh: Oct./Dec.1913 Magherafelt registration district volume 1 page 487.
To find registration districts for townlands go to http://www.thecore.com/seanruad, search for townland and then check PLU (Poor Law Union) which will be the name of the registration district. The registration district is what will be listed in the civil indexes (births/marriages/deaths) rather than the actual townland.
Have a look at Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) and My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html).
"I am particularly interested in my maternal line and I would be grateful if you could take a look at names and dates to see if you think I am on the right line?"
What maternal line? Darraghs? McKillens?
As with all research you need to start with known facts and then carefully work back through available records step by step to prevent yourself from following the wrong family.
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My maternal line is Agnes Mckillen 17/12/1915 in Springburn, Lanarkshire - Sarah Barnes 1881 in Glasgow,Lanarkshire,Scotland - Bridgit O'Neil 1841 in Ireland - Ann Malin abt 1816 - Catherine Donnelly 22 Oct 1797 in Drum, Roscommon, Ireland - Margaret Owens abt 1770
I have got this information from lds
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Is that a list of your maternal ancestor, their mother. etc.? The earliest link mentioned is "Bridgit O'Neil 1841 in Ireland" and then what seems to be 2 generations later a mention of Co. Roscommon.
To trace Irish ancestors before the start of civil registration, as in this case, you need to know the family's religion and where they lived to see if any church records exist.
Still don't understand where the connection to Ellen McKillen and Joseph Darragh is supposed to come in.
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Ellen is the paternal aunt of Agnes.
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Ellen is the paternal aunt of Agnes.
Makes more sense now. Are you trying to trace Ellen or the McKillen family then? or were you just wanting to know about happened to Ellen's daughter?
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I am interested in the McKillens and asked your opinion on my maternal line.
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Yes, bit you weren't very clear about what details you are looking for and exactly what information you already have.
Starting from the beginning... are you sure the Ellen who married Joseph Darragh is Agnes' aunt?
If yes, when and where was Ellen born? parents' names? siblings?
The more details you give the easier it is to find information or suggest where to look next.
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Ellen was born in 1879 in Ballymoney to Patrick Mckillen and Rose Kane sibling George and John. George is Agnes's father she was born in Glasgow. Why wouldn't she be Agnes's aunt?
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What I meant was are you sure this Ellen McKillen is Agnes' aunt- since you hadn't posted more details I was just trying to verify that Ellen (McKillen) Darragh was really the person you were related to.
Ballymoney possibly is the registration district and not the actual birthplace.
From www.familysearch.org=
Children of Patrick McKillen & Rose Kane:
1. George Mckellen born 23 Feb.1875 Ireland
2. John Mckillen born 27 Apr.1877 Craigs, Co.Antrim (this is outside Ballymena not Ballymoney)- mother Rosey
3. Ellen Mckillen born 17 June 1879 Ballymoney district, Co. Antrim
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My Aunt is a member of lds and has researched the family intensively but doesn't like to share and has accused me of stealing her information so I am sure that I have the Mckillens right to Margret Mary and back to Patrick and Rose, but other than that I have a possible for Patricks parents but thanks to all the records that were destroyed I have found it hard to get any further back.
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Contrary to popular belief very few Irish records were actually destroyed- pre-1901 census records (many pulped by government order), Church of Ireland registers (those sent to Dublin for safekeeping), early Wills and probate records (of which there are copies of many of the Wills) are the main missing items but all civil records (births, deaths, marriages) survive.
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Sorry, I meant census records, which in England I have found really useful. :-[
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hi im doing a tree for some one there mom was agnes mckillen wots your relationship plz and is there a photo
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I am her grand-daughter and no sorry as far as I am aware there are no photos.
What is the relationship of the person you are doing the tree for?
Many thanks
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You already have access to my tree on ancestry and therefore can see all dead relatives. If Trevor does not have access then get him to send me his email on facebook.
Edit: you did have access.....
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:Dgot you yeh
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Hi
I am looking for more information regarding Mary Margret Darragh born 1909 in Coleraine, I have her in the 1911 census in Derry and would be grateful if anyone can tell me if she married or point me in the right direction to find out myself.
Many thanks
Hi I have some ancestors from this area with the surname "Darragh". A Mary Darragh married my great great grandfather Thomas Rafferty and several Darragh siblings were sponsors of Thomas and Mary's kids' baptisms.
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Also, one Mary's father was Arthur Darragh, who I believe was in Griffith's valuation
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Hi
Do you know your Mary's dob and parent's names?
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Hi, Mary Darragh's DOB was about 1848, and her parents were Arthur Darragh and Jane Diamond
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Hi
No that is not the same, my Mary was only a child in the 1911 census.
Many thanks
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Update:
Have found out today that Margaret Mary Darragh died aged 6 1/2. Her mother Ellen (a widow after Joseph died) then went onto marry Henry Scullion in 1919, unfortunately Henry broke his neck falling of a mound (?) of grass-seeds in December 1919.
Ellen was working as a housekeeper in Rasharkin and married a Baker, David McMullan on 21 February 1924 aged 45, he was also a widow. They married in St Mary's RC church. I have searched for children and can not find any. Hopefully they lived a good life together after their early losses.
If anyone lives near St Mary's Church, Rasharkin, I would be grateful if they could look for Mckillen (Patrick, Rose, John) and also Margaret Darragh and Ellen McMullen in the churchyard.
Many thanks.