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Title: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: Hines001 on Thursday 26 April 12 22:42 BST (UK)
Hi I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with this.

It is probably a long shot but I'm trying to find out some information about my GG Grandfather Thomas Patrick Nolan's family (Siblings and parents - as I can't seem to find any)

This is all the information I have on him.

Thomas Patrick Nolan born 1870 in Bermondsey
Married Catherine Welch (Walsh/Welsh - it changes all the time) September 16 1889
His fathers name is James Nolan but other than that I have completely hit a dead end.

Thanks ever so much in advance for any help
Craig
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: annaS on Thursday 26 April 12 22:52 BST (UK)
As you know that his father's name is James; does that mean that you have his birth certificate?  If you haven't you could do this and find what his father's occupation was, and this may help you as regards finding him on the 1871 and 1881 censuses.  The reference is: Born in the June 1870 quarter in the St. Olave district 1d 229.

Anna
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: heywood on Thursday 26 April 12 22:58 BST (UK)
In 1881 he may be an inmate in St Mary's Orphanage, Heston
Thomas Nolan 10 yrs b Bermondsey
There is also a Denis Nolan 11 yrs b Bermondsey
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: annaS on Thursday 26 April 12 23:08 BST (UK)
Now found on the 1871.

James Nolan aged 36 a 'white leather dresser and ???' from Manchester, Lancashire
Jane Nolan aged 27 from Southwark, Surrey
Dennis aged 2 from Bermondsey
Thomas P aged 1 from Bermondsey

They were living at Alexander Street, Bermondsey.  Ref. 1871 census RG10 637 56 page 43

Anna
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: suzard on Thursday 26 April 12 23:09 BST (UK)
it looks like Dennis Nolan was Thomas' brother

Marriage after banns
4 July 1896
St James Church Bermondsey
Dennis Nolan 28 bachelor Occ Skindyer 44 gedling St father james Nolan (deceased) occ labourer
Jane Poett 24 spinster 44 Gedling St father William Alfred Poett occ Lighterman

witnesses William Sawyer
Margaret Welch

all signed

wonder if margaret Welch was related to Thomas' wife??

Suz
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: heywood on Thursday 26 April 12 23:11 BST (UK)
There is also a Jane Nolan/Frederick Gardner marriage in 1893. Her father also James, Leather Finisher (deceased).

James Nolan 44 yrs death 1879 -St Olave -possibility
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: suzard on Thursday 26 April 12 23:15 BST (UK)
1861
Bermondsey
Mary Nolan widow 48 Carlow ireland
James Nolan son U 26 leather dresser Manchester
RG9 323 10 13

Suz
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: suzard on Thursday 26 April 12 23:19 BST (UK)
this looks like Dennis and Thomas mother with their sister??

1881
Llewellyn Gr Bermondsey
Jane Nolan Head widow 32 fur puller
Jane daughter 9
both b Bermondsey
RG11 565 92 10

Suz
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: suzard on Thursday 26 April 12 23:22 BST (UK)
Marriage reg freeBMD
Dec qtr 1867
St Olave
on same page
James Nolan
Jane Murdock
1d 43

Suz
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: Hines001 on Thursday 26 April 12 23:23 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for all your help this is really appreciated.

I can't believe you have all found this much out so quickly I was really stumped lol

Thanks again
Craig
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: suzard on Thursday 26 April 12 23:40 BST (UK)
1841
Cumberton St Manchester
lancs
Denis nolan 30 ???er (could be carter or Porter??) I
Mary 30 I
James 6 Y
HO107 569 2 39 16

Suz
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: suzard on Thursday 26 April 12 23:42 BST (UK)
Possible death reg for James' father

FreeBMD
Dennis Nolan
Mar qtr 1847
Manchester
20 597

Suz
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: annaS on Thursday 26 April 12 23:45 BST (UK)
Jane's age varies somewhat, but I don't think that this is too unusual! This age equates with the 1881 but not the 1871 census.

I have found a baptism for her: Jane Murdock baptised 14 January 1838, born 4 December 1837 to Thomas and Jane Murdock at St. John, Horselydown Parish Church, Southwark. Her father Thomas was a 'slater'

Anna
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: annaS on Thursday 26 April 12 23:54 BST (UK)
Now found a marriage:

Jane Murdock married James Nolan at St. John's. Horselydown, Southwark on 27 October 1867.  Jane's father was Thomas Murdock a 'slater' and James father was Denis Nolan a 'tanner'  Both were of full age.  James was a 'white leather staker'

I do believe that we have the right family!

Anna
Title: Re: Thomas Patrick Nolan
Post by: Hines001 on Friday 27 April 12 00:13 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the info

I think i have managed to find the marriage record for Jane's parents now

Thomas Murdock Married Jane Dunn 08 Jul 1833 Bermondsey

Now I will have to see what else i can dig up so thanks again everyone
Craig