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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: zulukraal on Monday 23 April 12 14:10 BST (UK)
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Long shot....
My sister, Dolores* (b. 1935) believes she was named after a Spanish woman, who she thinks was the wife of her, or her mother Lilyan Jackson's, clergyman grandfather. Most likely possibilities for him are
William George Jackson (1874-1939)
George Jackson (1848-1917)
Henry William King (1843-1890)
Charles Henry Herbert (1873-1918)
James Joseph Young (1851-1941)
Spelling of the wife might be Dolores or some variation with a Z (Delorez?)
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Hi
Jackson King and Young are very common surnames and you haven't given any details of the respective birthplaces of the names mentioned so it's impossible to look them up
Have you checked freebmd for their marriages www.freebmd.org.uk
Have you checked the 1911 census for the 4 names still alive at that time to see who their wife was http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
Have you checked the 1881 census for Henry King
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lfe/
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Sorry- beginner - but thanks for replying 8-)
I've tried searching the records you mention on ancestry.com, but no luck so far. More details:
William George Jackson (1874-1939)
b. 102 West Wick, Bradwell, Essex, England
d. 17 Rowley road, Carshalton
m. Maud Louise King 25/12/1901
George Jackson (1848-1917)
b. Tillingham, Essex, England
d. Essex
m. Emma Eliza Brett
Henry William King (1843-1890)
b. Bermondsey, London, England
d. London
m. Emily Ellen Dobson
Charles Henry Herbert (1873-1918)
b. Kensington, Middlesex, England
d. 3a Baylin Road Wandsworth
m. Elizabeth Eliza Young 26/9/1899
James Joseph Young (1851-1941)
b. Kentish Town, London, Middlesex, England
d. ??
m. Elizabeth Sarah Haynes 21/1/1872
m. Emily Ann Grove 14/3/1886
I also tried using the rootschat search page you pointed me to, but all I got was a page of stuff beginning
{"next":"http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search?count=10&offset=10&query=%2Bsurname%3AKing%7E","facets":[{"token":"http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search?count=10&query=%2Bsurname%3AKing%7E&
etc etc. ending with
},"score":0.73099995}],"totalHits":3840634,"offset":0}
I tried several times with the same result, so possibly too many hits to handle 8-)
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Hi
Carole's link takes you to
www.familysearch.org
where you can search the 1881 census, amongst other records, for free
Dawn
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Hi
Have I misunderstood your post? I thought that you were asking if any of the 5 names you listed married a Dolores
From your reply - you already know that none did as you have all their marriages
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What about?
1891 census Marton Village Yorkshire
Edward Ellerter Richardson 61 wid Tailor/Draper Wesleyan Preacher Riveaulx County of York
Jane Deane wid dau 32 Dress maker Normanby Yorks
Edirg E Deane GD 11 Marton
Edwin F Deane 9 "
Lilyan Jackson visitor 11 Marton.
1871 census gives him as Tailor/Local preacher Methodist Primitive.
Jennifer
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1881 shows Edward's wife as Mary Ann b Marton
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Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
I've only been doing this a week, and have mainly been using other people's trees to fill in my own tree (public Jackson / Johnson on ancestry.com). I found those marriages, but I thought they might not be exhaustive, or perhaps the 'grandfather' was actually an uncle or a lover. I guess I'm hoping that someone from the Spanish woman's family is looking for info from her side.
Lilyan was my mother and never talked about her family except to hint to my sister about her name, and once she hinted to me that her grandfather was a Scottish bloke who had a liaison with a Spanish woman. The Lilyan Jackson you've dug out (for which many thanks) is too old - my mum was born in 1912, died 1985. People's memories play up, and Lilyan might have been very young or have been told the story by someone else, so 'Scottish' might mean just 'Northern' or something else. It's not a lot to go on, but I told my sister (who's 77 now, and very interested) I'd try to find her namesake, so that's what I'm doing. The tree on ancestry.com is just a by-product of the search :)
The familysearch.org site doesn't work here. I get the search page, but when I press the button to do the search I either get a page of HTML (the example I gave) or two little wheels turning, which I've twice left for an hour to do its thing before giving up.
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Hi
There are many people here who will suggest taking things one step at a time and treating other people's online trees with caution.
Rather than trying to see if other research can fit with your own, start with your own and systematically work backwards purchasing some certificates along the way if you cannot find parish register and census information online which confirms what you discover.
Your mother's birth certificate will start you off with her parents names if you don't already have it.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn, I've already been warned of the dangers. The tree I'm using most was built by my niece's husband and he's quite a conscientious bloke, although more interested, and so more conscientious, about his own side.... I take your point though, and will be doing some confirmation :)
The other possible lead, following from the Scottish hint, is a woman called Mary Dolores Bisset (born 1898) who had a sister Isabella Bisset. Presumably somewhere in their family is a Spanish connection. From the 1891 Scottish census, her parents were Alexander and Margaret. She's mentioned as a part of a private tree that includes McElhinney, which name occurs in the immediate family of my sister's husband - so perhaps Lilyan had heard a story from one of *his* family and was simply pointing out the similarity in names. Anyway, I'm going to check out that side next