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Title: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Saturday 21 April 12 21:21 BST (UK)
Hi all i'm looking for more information concerning my grandma.

She was born in 1927 under the name of Edith Elisabeth Fasono, she had an elder sister called Marguerite Fasono and a younger brother called Frank Fasono

They were all born in Lancashire, the elder sister was registered in the Chorlton area whereas my gran and her younger brother were registered in the Ormskirk area.

Her parents names were Agnes Anne King & Frank Fasono

Any information further than this will be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 21 April 12 21:34 BST (UK)
Hiya Azza ...can I ask if any of these people you have named are still alive - as we are not allowed to research living people...Welcome to Rootschat and let us know if they are deceased or not
I will see if I can find an Agnes Anne King
allan
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Saturday 21 April 12 21:39 BST (UK)
Thanks for the reply, and none of the people mentioned in my post are alive so any help would be greatly recieved.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 21 April 12 21:47 BST (UK)
Ok...there are quite a few Agnes Ann King born around the right time but not necessarily in the right area - except this one in Wavertree ,Liverpool
1906  www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
about 20 miles from Ormskirk ??
allan
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sharon01 on Saturday 21 April 12 21:48 BST (UK)
Hi,

I can not see a marriage for Agnes & Frank.

Sharon
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 21 April 12 21:52 BST (UK)
Hi,

I can not see a marriage for Agnes & Frank.

Sharon

Neither could I Sharon...Iam wondering if Fasono may have been mispelt or mistranscribed...allan :)
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Saturday 21 April 12 21:55 BST (UK)
My knowledge of the whole situation is somewhat sketchy, all I know is that the eldest daughter was born in 1924 my gran in 1927 and her brother 1928, my gran was then put up for adoption as we think her father died and the mother may not have been able to cope.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sharon01 on Saturday 21 April 12 21:56 BST (UK)
I think this is his death in 1931.

Frank Fasano June 1931 Ormskirk (8b 833)

Sharon
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Saturday 21 April 12 22:11 BST (UK)
Not really sure where to go from here any tips at all?
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 21 April 12 22:24 BST (UK)
May I suggest that Frank may have been the English version of his christian name ?...more likely to be Francesco ?...Fasono sounds Spanish or Portugese or Maltese to me ..IF THE FIRST BORN WAS 1924??...do you think maybe Frank fought in the 1st world war and met Agnes and married her in his country ...they may even of had more children in another country prior to Marguerite in 1924 - Marguerite is not an English name and I wouldn`t mind betting Franks mum was named Marguerite....allan
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Saturday 21 April 12 22:47 BST (UK)
From what we know Fasono is an Italian Surname so your idea about a different forename is probably bang on.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 22 April 12 06:29 BST (UK)
www.geneanet.org  doesn`t have any family tree results , but it does have 2 Library results
1 in Algeria
1 in America - Braintree, Massachusetts

were the forces in Algeria in WW1 ?..... do you know the occupation of Frank Fasono ? I will see if I can find him in 1911
allan
 
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 22 April 12 06:56 BST (UK)
71,111 Algerian soldiers died in WW1  through the French/Algeria connection .
and Marguerite is French version of Margaret ?
I am tempted to start looking at this route??
maybe another member could give us different point of view ???
So could Frank have been French or Algerian ?
I think this is one of those occassions when you have to purchase the death certificate that Sharon has found ...£9-50p but seems a must to progress with your research
allan
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 22 April 12 07:25 BST (UK)
using family search org there is a 9 year old Frank Fasioni ,Italian parents , in Tynemouth,North Shields
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 22 April 12 07:40 BST (UK)
using family search org there is a 9 year old Frank Fasioni ,Italian parents , in Tynemouth,North Shields

That looks promising Radcliff ...is there a birth for him on freebmd ?
allan
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sharon01 on Sunday 22 April 12 08:05 BST (UK)
Hi,

Also interesting.

Marriage July-Sep 1910 Ormskirk, Lancashire (vol 8b 1522)
Francesco Fascione

George Halsall   
Annie Mawson   
Philomena Verrichia


The Frank on 1911 census is only 9, if the death I found is correct then he would have been born abt 1892.

Sharon
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sharon01 on Sunday 22 April 12 08:40 BST (UK)
Francesco Fascione married Philomena & they had from what I can see  2 children. Philomena died 1977, Halifax, West Yorkshire.
I can not see a death for Franceso or find them in 1911.

Sharon
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 22 April 12 09:04 BST (UK)


Sunday Fascioni,born Newcastle,September 1904

Gesundoni Fascioni birth registered Newcastle March 1907



Guseppo Fasciono registered Tynemouth,September 1910


and I cant find any of these people
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sharon01 on Sunday 22 April 12 09:07 BST (UK)
There seem to be Fascione(i) families in West Yorkshire, Lancashire & Northumberland.

Sharon
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 22 April 12 09:13 BST (UK)
Well we can only try and gather information and narrow it down,


Gerardo Fascione of 52 Stephenson Street North Sheilds
probate granted to Anastasia Fascione widow,25th of March 1930
died 9th of Jan 1930

Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sharon01 on Sunday 22 April 12 09:14 BST (UK)
Every time I use a wildcard for the surname, my surname pops up everywhere, Fagan.

Sharon
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 22 April 12 09:32 BST (UK)
Yes I thought that to,
but we could possibly rule out the North East ones ,


freebmd

Sunday Gascoine,/ Mary Fascioni.to Guiseppe Cessi,
Francesco Fascioni to Margaret McKeogh
both couples married Tynemouth
June 1925,

Sunday has changed to  Gascoine
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Gibel on Sunday 22 April 12 13:29 BST (UK)
There was/is a Fascioni family in Southport they were ice cream makers of Italian descent.

Southport was in the Ormskirk Registration District at the time.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 23 April 12 04:30 BST (UK)
freebmd March 1927

the list of name starts with Edith E Fasano
as you go down it says Edith E King,so either there  were two different children,called Edith E  or Edith was registered twice ,
this apears on the page again when Frank is registered Frank King ,Frank Fasano
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Monday 23 April 12 19:37 BST (UK)
why would a birth be registered twice?
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 23 April 12 19:46 BST (UK)
The only reason I can think they were registered in their mothers name was because she wasnt married to Frank,I am not saying they were not his children ,but if and a big if is ,if he is married to Philomena Verichi and they were seperated, and he lived with Agnes as man and wife ,and then he dies in 1931,still married to Philomena ,who would support Agnes and her children,I do think you need to find where your Grandmother was as a child and try and access her records,it may give quite a lot of detail for her admission into the childrens home,


this may be completly wrong ,but I have turned the Name inside out over the last few days,Benedito Fasano .Fasciano was living with the Verichi family in 1901 ,in 1911 he is head of household in Southport an ice cream maker,name and its spelling changes so many times,its hard to track even with phonetic spelings ,Joseph Fasiano, Bens sons war record states he goes by the name of Daniel,get my drift ,a lot of changing and chopping around of first names to,
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Gibel on Monday 23 April 12 19:49 BST (UK)
It might indicate that they were registered under their mother's surname and their father's surname because the parents were not married to each other.

If you purchase the birth certificate you will be able to find out and also find out whereabouts the birth took place. The Ormskirk registration district covered a large area.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: azza_2012 on Monday 23 April 12 21:06 BST (UK)
Ok guys I have both the birth certificate and the adoption certificate for my gran Edith E Fasono.

Birth Certificate:

D.O.B (25th January 1927)
Place of Birth (23 Alma Road,Southport)
Name of Father (Frank Fasono)
Name of Mother (Agnes Ann King)
Occupation of Father (Baker & Confectioner)
Date Registered (2nd March 1927)


Adoption Certificate:

Name of Adopted Child (Edith Elizabeth)
Adopted Father (Thomas Lawn)
Adopted Mother (Harriet Mary Lawn)
Date of Adoption (4th December 1929)

Don't know if any of this information will be any help to you.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Gibel on Monday 23 April 12 21:19 BST (UK)
I suggest you visit or contact Local History Sefton at Crosby library and find out who was listed on the electoral roll for 23 Alma Road Birkdale in 1926/27/28 as that may help. I'd also see if you can find out from the directories at Crosby Library if any Fasono or Fascioni's are listed in the directories for Southport around that time.

Does the entry for the mother say Agnes Fasono formerly King? If it lists her as just Agnes King it definitely implies they weren't married.

Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Monday 23 April 12 21:59 BST (UK)
Hi

Following on from Gibel's message, there was indeed a Fashoni family in Southport.  Their ice cream parlour was in Neville Street.  The proprietors were on friendly terms with some of my family.  I'm sure there are still Fashonis in Southport.  If you can find them they may be able to help.

Sandgrounder
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Monday 23 April 12 22:28 BST (UK)
I have found three currently in Southport.  Have sent you a pm.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 24 April 12 15:37 BST (UK)
In December 1929
Ormskirk registration district
an Agnes King marries Harry H Tracey



according to Lancashire bmd his name is Harry Hamilton Tracey and they married Ormskirk register office or registrar attended
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 24 April 12 15:45 BST (UK)
Sadly he dies in 1936 and his probate names his wife as Agnes Mary ,of Kents Bank Road Grange Over Sands
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Jamie ann on Friday 26 June 15 09:56 BST (UK)
Edith Elizabeth Fasono b.25th January 1927 at 23 Alma Road, Southport.She was my mother in law she was adopted on the 4th December 1929.Her  father was Frank Fasono and Agnus King.Fathers occupation was Confectioner.Any info would be very grateful.Thank you
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: Gina Fashioni on Wednesday 18 January 17 15:05 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone! My name is Gina Fashioni - it should be Fascione but was changed way back in time to make it easier to spell and pronounce. My Gt Grandfather was Benedetto Fascione he came to Southport in the 1800s and was an ice cream man. My Grandad was Joe Fashioni. An Italian man used to visit him called Frank King, Grandad used to say that wasn't his real name but that it was "a long story" - which we never got to know. The child of Frank King (Fasano) who was adopted appears to have lived in Alma Road, Southport which is 2 streets away from where my family lived in Fernley Road. It all seems very mysterious! And now I have heard that Frank King (Fasano's) Grandad or Gt Grandad was called Fortunato - which was Benedetto's fathers name.
Title: Re: Ormskirk, Lancashire - Fasono
Post by: johnreynolds82 on Tuesday 25 April 17 00:35 BST (UK)
Interesting post, I'm John Reynolds and I'm on a journey to trace the King family line. Frank King (Fasono) b. 20 March 1928, registered birth in Ormskirk and lived in the Southport area, I believe is my maternal grandfather. He was married to my grandmother Doreen Clark in 1950 and they had 6 children together before separating; Frank, Ann, James, Kathleen, Louise and Kenneth all Kings. Frank went on to marry Olive N Williams in 1965. I'm lost as to why Frank Fasono took his mothers maiden name, from birth index records I have found it appears the birth was registered twice once as Frank Fasono and once as Frank King. (Registered: Q2 1928, District Ormskirk, Vol. 8 b Pg. 1415 for both registries in the index). I'm confused how the birth could be registered twice on same day with different surnames, same vol and pg. number? I'm still researching, I'm making enquiries with the GRO and will order copy birth certs for both registries to compare, but if anybody has further info. on Frank I'd love to hear from you. John