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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Gadgey on Saturday 21 April 12 18:28 BST (UK)
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Hi,
When a person has been adopted, and only the natural birth name is known, how can the new adopted name be found?
Thanks
Bryan (Scotland)
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I don't think you will find it, unless that person is searching for their birth family. There is an organisation that connects families, if you register the birth name, date of birth, and name of birth mother.
So sorry the name of that group escapes me at the moment. I had success a few years ago, so good luck. Please keep in mind reunions don't always have a happy ending, but I wish you well.
Perhaps one of our more experienced RC can help. :)
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Hi Mac,
The person I'm researching is my mother in law's mother (whom she put into foster care in infancy) who is no longer with us. If your interested I have a post headed "Marabel Hartley Webster, Richard Webster, Ethel Jenkins" you would get the full story there.
Thanks
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
The adoption took place in NZ? What year ??? Where is the post located so I can get the full story ;)
Adeline B
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Hi Adeline,
The story is in your NZ section under the heading mentioned earlier.
The person was born Marabel Hartley Webster, born Palmerston North, NZ on the 19th July 1908, the adoption took place around 1912.
She could also go under the name Maria and lived in NZ until the early 1920's.
She also had a half sister, Rona Alfreada Trinder who was adopted also, around 1912, I have adoption details on Rona, don't think it's appropriate to put it on here, but if it's of any use I could pm the details.
Thanks
Bryan
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Link to original thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,591982
John B
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Aha, deceased persons easier, through "JIGSAW".
Love it when memory kicks in :) :)
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Hi Mac,
Glad the memory has kicked back in :), will certainly check that out.
Thanks
Bryan
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Hi Mac,
The person I'm researching is my mother in law's mother (whom she put into foster care in infancy) who is no longer with us. Thanks
Bryan
Your mother in law doesn't know her own mother's name.
Seems strange you have a birth name for her but not the name she grew up with and presumably made known to your mother in law.
BTW who put who into foster care? I can't understand your post. Sorry. ??? ??? ???
Dawn M
PS I think JIGSAW only looks for living (or potentially living) people but may be wrong.
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It may pay to contact Child,Youth and Family's adoption unit nearest to where he was born and make inquiries through them.
http://www.cyf.govt.nz/adoption/index.html
Cheers Janette
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Hi All,
I'm going to try and give a brief background to the story, as following the other thread seems to be quite confusing.
My mother in law was born in Aberdeen, Scotland, she was put into foster care in infancy, the only clue we had was from her birth certificate, was her mother, Marabel Hartley Webster, no father stated.
Marabel Hartley Webster Palmerston North, MWT, New Zealand on the 19th July 1908 (It states New Zealand and the DOB on her death certificate) to parents Richard and Ethel (m.s. Jenkins) Webster.
Ethel was born 1879 in NZ (Reg No: 1879/16466) they married 1907 (Reg No: 1907/2388) she gave birth to a baby NR 1910 (Reg No: 1910/13724) which died 4 days later (Reg No: 1910/4907) as a result of this Ethel died 2 weeks later (Reg No: 1910/4929).
Richard Webster was born In England around 1885, moved to NZ in the early 1900's, after Ethel's death left NZ on the Ionic arriving in Sydney Australia on 6th May 1916, there's no evidence of Marabel travelling with him. He also married again in NZ around 1912.
I could not confirm Marabel's birth from your BDM historical site, so a friend on another thread searched the microfiche and found her details were correct, he also contacted BDM to ask why she was not shown on their BDM site, it was after a few e-mails back and forth that it was found that it was not shown as she had been adopted.
I hope this helps clarify the situation.
Thanks
Bryan
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Hi Bryan
Great summary
the information is very clear
It makes a great genealogy rad looking at the two threads..and has many challenges for us budding genie detectives
Bye
Althea
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Hi Bryan,
Do you know if Ethel or Richard had any siblings that could of cared for Marabel?
Thanks Adeline
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Hi Adeline
Ethels family details are here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,593781.0.html
Close family always a possibility
Bye
Althea
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If you know where the person was adopted,apply to the District Court of that district for all the papers relating to the adoption. The matter will go before a District Court Judge who will decide if the information can be released. It helps if a close relative applies.Takes about 4-6 weeks. The information will disclose who was making the application to adopt. I have done this successfully.
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Hi Big guy,
Thanks for that. I know the district she was in when she was born, but have no clue as to the district she was adopted in, if I can find that out I can certainly get my mother in law to do the application, don't know how feasable that is, given that we're on the other side of the world, but if it could be done electronically I'd give it a go!
I've had a bit of a Eureka moment yesterday, a friend found Marabels entry into England named as Marable Webster aboard the ship ARAWA port southampton. from new zealand 24 march 1922 aged 13 address given as the stamford arms bowdon cheshire, this is the pub that her grandparent's owned! Everthing fits that this is her, age place and name, only trouble I have is how an adopted 13 year old gets away from adopted parent's, and is back to her birth name. This is making me think that she was adopted to relatives on Ethel Jenkins side, it's the only rational theory I can come up with at the moment.
Cheers
Bryan
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Hi Folks,
Just to let you know that I'm going away for a few days and will be unable to reply to any posts until I return on the 2nd May, to which I will reply then.
Look forward to hearing from you all again.
Take care
Bryan
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Palmerston North NZSG school index showed no Marabel
although not all schools yet indexed..could have been at Catholic
for reference: West End School would be the closest to Jospeh St if they were still living in that area
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea,
Thanks for the information, I'll see what I can find out.
Thanks
Bryan
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there is no adoption,
maybe someone took her in, but the fact she left under her proper name suggests she was not formally adopted ...
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there is no adoption,
Ah, but there was.
Please see other thread .... in particular Reply # 29
(and for some background info, Reply # 20)
Link to original thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,591982
John B
~ Lu
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Hi Gadgey
[Cheers for your messages, but as I don't have access to the PM facility here, unable to read or reply to these, sorry. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Sorry, didn't realise you couldn't receive pm's. It was jut a thank you for your reply #20 and putting the record straight.
Thanks
Bryan