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I wonder could anyone give me any information whatsoever about a JAMES NEWELL, Castle Hill, Rathfriland {Parish of Drumgath}
He was a Tanner in Castle Hill in 1824 & 1846 - Post Office Trade Directories.
Two of his daughters married two Mayne brothers. The two Mayne brothers were from Rehaghey, Aughnacloy, Co.Tyrone.
As far as I can see from 'The Belfast News-Letter' :-
Anne Newell married William Harriott Mayne on 6thOct 1829. Married by a Rev. John Whyte(White) - Rev. John White(Whyte) was the minister of the 1st Presbyterian Church in Rathfriland - Auld Kirk 1813-1836
Elizabeth Newell married Nathaniel Mayne on 7th May 1830
I would love to find out how many children JAMES NEWELL had and what his wife's name was or even her christian name.
With very many thanks, if anyone can help in any way or give me any ideas of were to look.
Is there a graveyard attached to the church that I have mentioned above or were would he and his family be likely to be buried.
Lynn.
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Hi
have you checked out rosdavies co down site?
jim
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/N/Newell.htm
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Another possible daughter of James was Mary Hopkins who died 1858 and is buried at Hillsborough graveyard
jim
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theres also a few Newell births listed on Raymonds co down site for Rathfriland from 1860/70s,which may be related
jim
http://countydown.x10.mx/html/rathfriland_a.htm
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Thanks Jim, your doing well here. When I Google Castle Hill, Rathriland I'm finding a very old building there with a hugh hop like thing sticking up. I wonder if that may have been a Tannery as he was a Tanner.
Lynn.
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Theres a photo of the 1st Presbyterian Church in Rathfriland on rosdavies site if your interested.
jim
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/DrumgathAll.htm
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Thanks Jim, I've found rosdavies site very helpful and very informative.
What I would like to find now would be birth and death dates and try and piece to-gether the family of JAMES NEWELL of Castle Hill, Rathfriland.
Did he live, I wonder, on Castle Hill or was there a factory on Castle Hill etc.
At the moment I am just finding the Three daughters :- of JAMES NEWELL
ANNE Newell who married William Harriott Mayne on 6th Oct 1829 and is buried in Clonallon Graveyard, Warrenpoint with her husband, but the writing on the gravestone is very well weathered.
ELIZABETH Newell who married Nathaniel Mayne on 7th May 1830
MARY Newell who married John Hopkins. She died 3rd Nov 1880 in Belfast, and is buried in Hillsborough graveyard. Her husband died 27th March 1858.
I wonder if JAMES NEWELL was killed in the war but I haven't followed that up as yet.
If any one can add to this for me or make any corrections whether it be to dates or spelling of places etc. I should be very grateful.
Lynn.
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Hi,
Have you any number for the house on Castle Hill? There was a tannery where Iveagh primary school is now, and would have only been 100 metres from Castle Hill. If you look at google earth you will see how near the school is to Castle Hill. There was also another tannery at School Rd. , The Commons, about 400 metres from Castle Hill.There is a graveyard at First Rathfriland Presbyterian Church.
Cheers, Sam.
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UHF have death records for a William H Mayne 1875 co down, also an Anne Mayne 1870 co down
jim
the death record for William Harriot Mayne 1875 is also on Emerald
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Hi Sam,
No, unfortunately I don't have a number of a house on Castle Hill and I thank-you for the information on the two Tannery's. I shall follow up on the 1st Rathfriland Presbyterian Church and see if they have any records re him possibly being buried there seeing that that was the church that the daughter called Anne got married in, in 1829
I'm pleased to know that there is a graveyard attached to the church.
Sam, When you Google, 'Castle Hill' do you have any idea what the old, very extensive building is on the right hand side, going up the hill.
Lynn.
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Hi Jim,
Can you tell me what UHF stands for please.
The William Harriott Mayne is the correct one and his wife Anne Mayne {ne Newell} - I didn't have her death date so I thank you for that.
When you say Emerald what do I look up for that. Shall look under Emerald right now and see if I can find it.
Lynn.
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Jim, I've found UHF - Ulster Historical Society. A really good site to know about. Lynn.
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Hi,
UHF - Ulster Historical Foundation. A pay to view site which can be useful without paying.
Emerald - Emerald Ancestors. A subscription site.
Regards
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Thanks,
I shall defnitely consider joining the Emerald Ancestors so as to have constant access to material unless you can suggest a better site that I should join, that would cover North and South Ireland, in more detail than:-
Ancestry.co.uk that I belong to. I prefer to join this sort of thing for a year so as to make it easy to use it as often as I like.
Would appreciate your advice on this.
Lynn.
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Lynn,
My knowledge of sites covering the whole of Ireland is very limited so I do not feel qualified to advise you. However there are others on this site who are vastly more knowledgable than me so I am sure you will be well advised.
Regards
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Thanks for your reply, I shall wait and see if any one else picks up on this.
Lynn.
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Hi Lyn
just in case you didnt know, the 1901 and 1911 census for Ireland can be searched free on line, there were still Newells living in Drumgath who could possibly be decendants of James.
jim
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Drumgath/Ballykeel/1248971/
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contact details for 1st Rathfriland Presby Church
http://www.1strathfriland.co.uk/index.html
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Thanks Jim for all of this. I'm firstly going to try and find out a little more about The Tannery in Rathfriland and see if I can find his name registered anywhere as he was defnitely a Tanner. It would be good to find out what Number his house was on Castle Hill.
Lynn.
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Hi Lynn,
If old building you are referring to is the one at the top right of the hill looking East it is only a store.
I am sending you a PM
Cheers, Sam.
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Hi
There is a thread on the OldWarrenpointForum site (see http://www.oldwarrenpointforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9619 (http://www.oldwarrenpointforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9619)) which covers the Mayne family.
HTH
Jim
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Thanks Jim for bringing my attention back on to this site again.
Yes, I wrote on The Old Warrenpoint Forum but find it very hard to keep up with all the different sites.
My archive of material has been filed away at present due to a house move but will be keen to get back on here again once I get sorted.
With thanks to all who have helped me over the years. :)
Lynn Stratton
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I wonder could anyone give me any information whatsoever about a JAMES NEWELL, Castle Hill, Rathfriland {Parish of Drumgath}
He was a Tanner in Castle Hill in 1824 & 1846 - Post Office Trade Directories.
Two of his daughters married two Mayne brothers. The two Mayne brothers were from Rehaghey, Aughnacloy, Co.Tyrone.
As far as I can see from 'The Belfast News-Letter' :-
Anne Newell married William Harriott Mayne on 6thOct 1829. Married by a Rev. John Whyte(White) - Rev. John White(Whyte) was the minister of the 1st Presbyterian Church in Rathfriland - Auld Kirk 1813-1836
Elizabeth Newell married Nathaniel Mayne on 7th May 1830
I would love to find out how many children JAMES NEWELL had and what his wife's name was or even her christian name.
With very many thanks, if anyone can help in any way or give me any ideas of were to look.
Is there a graveyard attached to the church that I have mentioned above or were would he and his family be likely to be buried.
Lynn.
Hello My Family is Newell My GGrandfather live in Newtownards, County Down John Newell & Theresa Newell nee Ferris have found no James yet thought, this family were church of ireland protestants
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003983124/
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I have just come across this post. My Great great Grandfather was George Newell whose father was James Newell. I have quite a few notes and letters written by family members whic have been passed down to me. I am beginning to work through them.
Here is an example:
Newell
Gt Grandfather Newell, Tanner at Rathfriland, a little conceited man, married Miss Scott of Castle Hill, a very clever shrewd woman, but difficult to get on with.
Grandfather Newell had four sisters
One became Mrs Haliday
Another two married Maynes of Tyrone, Armagh
Another to Capt Hopkins
I think from this that we could be interested in the same JamesNewell.
It is rather a long time since you posted this so am not sure if you are still interested in James Newell, but if you are I am happy to share what I have. If you have other information I would be interested.
Rosemary