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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: mabeljessie on Saturday 21 April 12 13:15 BST (UK)
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Parish Records for Deal & Walmer and the records for St Mary's Church, Walmer.
Thomas BURLEY m Emma Blown (8th Sept 1892)
12/3/1894 Elizabeth Esther
25/8/1895 Thomas
15/7/1896 JohnGilbert
27/8/1899 Pleasant Mary
Emma BLOWN, aged 20 of Lower Walmer, daughter of James Thomas BLOWN, Bricklayer married Thomas BURLEY, 33, a Private in the Royal Marines Light Infantry stationed at Walmer Barracks.
However the 1901 census shows the same family living in Otley, Yorkshire.
Thomas Ruddock 49 "Fitter/Printers engineer", born about 1852, Fewston Yorkshire
Emma Ruddock 28 Emma and all children listed as born in Deal, Kent
Elizabeth Ruddock 7
Thomas Ruddock 5
John G Ruddock 4
Mary Ruddock 1
Thomas Ruddock died in Wharfedale in (Sept 1/4) 1906, Emma Ruddock (nee Blown) also died in 1906(June 1/4) in Leeds, the family was then split up the two boys emigrated to Australia, one in 1914(my grandfather) the other in 1922 using the name RUDDOCK . The parents appear to have died within 6 months of each other leaving the four children aged from 12 down to 6 years.
My grandfather Thomas Ruddock died in 1949 and his/my branch of the family has had no knowledge of the two sisters Elizabeth and (Pleasant) Mary.
From what I can find it appears that Elizabeth marries using the maiden name BURLEY to a Robert HOLMES in 1913 and Mary marries using the maiden name RUDDOCK in 1921 to a Fred LAMBERT.
I was wondering if any listers have information or family trees on these “GIRLS” who would now be 118 and 113. I am curious to hear if anyone knows the real reason for Thomas’s name change to Burley (I believe it was his mother’s maiden name and his father remarried but would love to contact a family member who knows the history)
Listers in the Kent forum have already helped getting me to this point, with church records and I have purchased the military records from the National Archives.
Thomas b 1895 - d1949 married a died in Australia, this is where we all now call home. But we would also love to know what happened to his parents, which made grandpa leave England.
Sorry the post is so long but I am trying to give as much info as possible.
Thanks
mabeljessie
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Hi: following on from our conversation on another thread regarding Otley and burial records.
As Emma Ruddock was the first of the couple to die, and the registration is in Leeds Registration District, I would suggest that you obtain her death certificate in order to establish where they were living at the time. It is more than likely that Leeds is where they are buried.
ONLY purchase your certificate from GRO (General Register Office) - other sites will charge you a lot more. Current charge is £9.25 per certificate. You will need the reference - Emma died in June quarter 1906, Leeds Registration District, folio number 9b, page 364 and she was 35 years old. Certificates are only despatched by post, but you can order on-line and pay by credit card.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks again Bumble B.
I have just had a look at the 1911 census and found my grandfather back using the BURLEY surname living with extended family (I had previously not found him as all the other children registered as RUDDOCK in 1911 even though wide spread) What's more interesting is that his name was written as RUDDOCK and rubbed out and written over as BURLEY but you can still see the correction.
But just to throw another spanner in the works their is another child listed with him, it looks like his parents could have had a 5th child in Otley in 1903 which is another huge surprise to me. The name is Nellie RUDDOCK which makes sense as they were living by that surname at the time, but now it opens another whole can of worms.
Just when I think I get my head around one problem up jumps another one.
mabeljessie
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Oh the joys of family history ;D ;D But woudn't it be boring if we found everyone at the first attempt - if only ::)
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Oh don't worry, this is only one of my great grandfathers I have been chasing the other one all over Victoria in Australia for several years. He seems to have run away from his family too although he had gold fever. Both are named Thomas and both have been giving me a hard time for so many years.
I have managed to go back on their lines and find their families, but of course they are the interesting ones because they have chosen a life of mystery or lived outside the family circle.
I have ordered that certificate so will wait patiently for it arrival. (Waiting, waiting - are we there yet?)
Yes I know why we all do it - it's the thrill of the chase - like a dog chasing cars - what will we do when we finally catch it?
Yes we already know - we help other people solve their problems, cos we can't help ourselves.
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While I waited for my certificate to arrive I did some further research and found my Thomas Ruddock listed as Burley in the 1911 census. He was living with relatives and had a sister with him who I didn't know existed her name was Nellie - I believe her to be
Helen Hannah B Ruddock b 1903
I also found another child who only lived a year
Edward Ruddock b 1906 - d 1907
When Emma Blown (married name Ruddock) death cert arrived, the cause of death were all related to infections of child birth, she died in 1906 it would appear the same time as Edward was born.
So now I have another great aunt to add to the mix, I believe that she married Willie Armitage in 1919 and had 6 children. Perhaps this will give me some new information.
Cheers
mabeljessie
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Oh don't worry, this is only one of my great grandfathers I have been chasing the other one all over Victoria in Australia for several years. He seems to have run away from his family too although he had gold fever. Both are named Thomas and both have been giving me a hard time for so many years.
I have managed to go back on their lines and find their families, but of course they are the interesting ones because they have chosen a life of mystery or lived outside the family circle.
I have ordered that certificate so will wait patiently for it arrival. (Waiting, waiting - are we there yet?)
Yes I know why we all do it - it's the thrill of the chase - like a dog chasing cars - what will we do when we finally catch it?
Yes we already know - we help other people solve their problems, cos we can't help ourselves.
While I waited for my certificate to arrive I did some further research and found my Thomas Ruddock listed as Burley in the 1911 census. He was living with relatives and had a sister with him who I didn't know existed her name was Nellie - I believe her to be
Helen Hannah B Ruddock b 1903
I also found another child who only lived a year
Edward Ruddock b 1906 - d 1907
When Emma Blown (married name Ruddock) death cert arrived, the cause of death were all related to infections of child birth, she died in 1906 it would appear the same time as Edward was born.
So now I have another great aunt to add to the mix, I believe that she married Willie Armitage in 1919 and had 6 children. Perhaps this will give me some new information.
Cheers
mabeljessie
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Sarah
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Thanks Sarah, some technology leaves me struggling lol, you have been so kind and patient, thank you 😊
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Yeay you did it !!!!!! I knew we would get there Linda, we are all learners at one thing or another.
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Can't wait to hear from mabeljessie and BumbelleB we have so much to share x
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Hi Linda,
I have sent you a personal message which you can reply to.
I have done a lot of work on the tree since I posted on here and had some great help from now friends in the UK.
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Hi
Not sure if you already have this information but will add anyway.
Cemetery Otley Cemetery (Newall With Clifton and Lindley Cemetery)
Record Reg 07 (1900-1916)
Entry 8205
Event Type Burial
Given Name Emma
Surname RUDDOCK
Event Day 12
Event Month 6
Event Year 1906
District Parish Leeds
Place Died (Street) City Hospital
Age Years 35
Birth Year 1871 *
Grave Type Unconsecrated
Grave Section D
Grave Number 148
Register 7
Page 321
Page Row 13
Cemetery Otley Cemetery (Newall With Clifton and Lindley Cemetery)
Record Reg 07 (1900-1916)
Entry 8238
Event Type Burial
Given Name Thomas
Surname RUDDOCK
Event Day 23
Event Month 8
Event Year 1906
District Parish Otley
Place Died (Street) Carlton Street
Age Years 52
Birth Year 1854 *
Grave Type Unconsecrated
Grave Section D
Grave Number 148
Register 7
Page 323
Page Row 14
Lynn
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Very sad, parents died within 2 months leaving orphaned children to be farmed out amongst the wider family. It’s greater that census records could tell us so much. I have done so much research as my grandfather was the eldest son and came to Australia as a farm lad on a ship of 200 young men and boys.
Are you related Lynn or just interested?
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Hi there, Helen was my granny and her son Gordon was my dad.
He told me about his gt grandad Thomas that he had cut his throat in the Irish fields in Otley as his wife had died and he couldn't cope.
Helen Hannah Burley Ruddock was sent to an orphanage in Harrogate.
I was born in Otley hospital and know the street they lived in as my brother drove me past it once.
I contacted this group as Helens brother Jack came for a visit about 30/40ish years ago .Linda x
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Linda that is so sad I wondered all along if it was suicide. I will look out my records tomorrow using my iPad at present and all records on my laptop. Emma’s death certificate etc., I think she died very shortly after childbirth of the youngest son with complications. I think he died in early infancy too.
My grandad was Thomas Burley, Thomas and Emma’s oldest son immigrated around 1911-14 not sure of dates and then John Gilbert immigrated I think around 1921? I assume John Gilbert would be Jack.
My grandfather Thomas died in a car accident before I was born and my father died when I was 8, so that side of the tree was very scant. I picked up a bit from my aunt but she was only 14 when her dad died so she didn’t know a lot. She had kept in touch with John Gilbert’s daughters’ so I wrote to one of them and she mentioned he had been back home and met his sisters. My aunt and I didn’t know he even had sisters before I started my research.
Do you have any idea from your granny why your grt grandfather Thomas left home and changed his name? I have some theories but wondered if anyone knows his real reason. And then why he came home and changed it again.
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Oh how I wish I'd asked more questions, I remember sitting with my granny who I adored and her saying gt uncle Jack was going to visit. I've never heard of her having any sisters, do you think they meant my aunty's Minnie, Kathleen and Lena x
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Have you had any contact with Holmes or Lambert, there were some in rhe village we all lived in 2 miles from Otley, Burley in Wharfedale xx
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No this is the first time I have had any contact from Thomas and Emma’s family in UK and I must say I am very excited to meet you. I can’t wait to tell my Aunt tomorrow she will be thrilled to know that there are more of her dad’s family out there. Especially that they have made contact. She is 88.
I had a lot of help from a woman in the Morley historical society who I have become friends with and then I helped some people with Australian research. I also met a man who was descended from a bit further up the line, and he helped a lot too.
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I have a photo of me with my aunty Kathleen not long before she died. We did clash a bit when I was young lol but that went she had no children, my aunty Lena had a girl Elizabeth who had Nicola. Aunty Minnie lived near Cambridge and had John, Bob and Janet
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Aunty Kathleen looked the double of granny 👵