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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Gary West on Friday 20 April 12 14:36 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
My first post here but I'm sure it wont be my last. Recently acquired an interest in discovering my family roots and started the basis of a tree. I committed to go back as far as I can gathering as much detail as I can and quite prepared to sign up and pay for cencus records where I need to - but before this turns into a whim, I tracked this site down and hoping that getting some help will help push me along.
My first request to to ID my grandfather - I need his place of birth and date of death please?
William John West
DoB 10/01/1901
London (probably Shoreditch, Islington, Hackney)
Married 27/06/1925
Died May 1961 Stokenewington, Hackney
Buried Abney Park Cemetery.
Thanks in anticipation.
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
FreeBMD has this birth registration:
William John West MarQ 1901 Islington 1b 389
Using those details you can order a copy of the certificate (cost £9.25) from:
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Nanny Jan
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Hi and welcome from me too. :)
As you note his marriage details do you know his father's name.
Was his wife named Maud L Hughes.?
Sandy
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Hi,
For his date of death you will need his death certificate:
William J West JunQ 1961 Hackney 5c 570
1901 census has a 2 month old William West with parents William and Rosina; also siblings Philip (7), Louisa (4) and Thomas (3). William shown as house decorator. Could this be the right family? Living at 13 Matthias Rd, Islington.
RG13 197 38 10
Nanny Jan
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As you note his marriage details do you know his father's name.
Was his wife named Maud L Hughes.?
Sandy
Thanks for the welcome folks -
His father was a John William West (reverse of his name) and yes his wife (my Nan) was Maud Hughes!
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Hi,
For his date of death you will need his death certificate:
William J West JunQ 1961 Hackney 5c 570
1901 census has a 2 month old William West with parents William and Rosina; also siblings Philip (7), Louisa (4) and Thomas (3). William shown as house decorator. Could this be the right family? Living at 13 Matthias Rd, Islington.
RG13 197 38 10
Nanny Jan
Yes this is defenitely them - all other names stack up.
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With Nany Jan assistance I have found them in 1911.
We can not assist on the forum though with any details. :(
His father married at St Jude's Church Islington
Oct 2 1893
John William West,28,Bachelor, Painter, father Peter Charles, Inspector of Sewers to
Rosina Agatha Wright, 24, Spinster, father John, Labourer
Witnesses: Alfred Charles & Emma Louisa West.
May help yourself or others tracing the same lineage.
Sandy
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Great - thanks for all your help. Now have date of death :)
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Rosina Agatha Wright
Approx DoB 1866
Married 2nd October 1893 to John William West in London
Approx Death September 1930 London
Buried Abney Park cemetery, Stokenewington London 6th October 1930
THINK her Father may have been John!
Would love to find anything about her in 1881 and/or 1891
Would love to know parents names and location
Would love to know of siblings
Struggling to crack this one!
Any help appreciated.
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what is her stated age at 1893 marriage?
What parental information is given?
What street address is given?
What names witness?
What birthplace in 1901 & 1911?
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Gary, decided best to merge your new post on Rosina Wright with the ongoing post on husband William West to keep all responses together otherwise people will end up duplicating searches and wasting time for info already found.
Monica
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Her father was John Wright,labourer according to the marriage entry.
jim
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This looks like them in 1871
RG10; Piece: 335; Folio: 24; Page: 42;
jim
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what is her stated age at 1893 marriage? 24 although this may be 3 years too young
What parental information is given? John, no Mother mentioned
What street address is given? None
What names witness? Alfred Charles West & Emma Louis West
What birthplace in 1901 & 1911? No idea
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This looks like them in 1871
RG10; Piece: 335; Folio: 24; Page: 42;
jim
Excuse my ignorance Jim, but how do I used that information?
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His father married at St Jude's Church Islington
Oct 2 1893
John William West,28,Bachelor, Painter, father Peter Charles, Inspector of Sewers to
Rosina Agatha Wright, 24, Spinster, father John, Labourer
Witnesses: Alfred Charles & Emma Louisa West.
May help yourself or others tracing the same lineage.
Sandy
Sandy posted all the marriage info at reply number 6 earlier this afternoon ;D
Carol
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In case anyone missed my note (reply 10)- I have merged two different posts. Might be worth going back to the beginning of this thread and seeing what has been found so far (the whole reason for merging these two posts is trying to avoid anyone wasting their time repeating searches already done ::)).
Monica
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1871
John Wright/40/gardener
Harriet Wright/45
Alfred Wright/16
Henry Wright/8
Rosina Wright/2y. 9m.
All born London
1881/RG11; Piece: 318; Folio: 57; Page: 58;
John Wright/50/gardener
Harriet Wright/56
Henry Wright/19
Louisa Wright/14
Thomas Wright/3
Rosina has been misnamed as Louisa.
Thomas aged 3 is listed as son of John which would make Harriet 53 when he was born so not sure that's correct.
jim
The ref.no. you just enter it into the search box for that decade & it goes straight to the right one.
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Thanks Jim
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1871
John Wright/40/gardener
Harriet Wright/45
Alfred Wright/16
Henry Wright/8
Rosina Wright/2y. 9m.
This looks to be Rosina's parents marriage
22 Mar 1852 St Matthew Church Bethnal Green
John WRIGHT f/a occGardener father John Anthony Wright occ Green Grocer
Harriet Maria WOOD f/a father Thomas Wood occ Tailor
Both signed, both single, 4 Orchard Place
Witnesses James Chanppio? W C Taylor
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Thanks Ladyhawk - that's quite amazing because this is my Dad's side of the family, but my Mums name was..........Wood!
Appreciate all the help but please keep it coming if you can find out anymore ;D
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this looks like them in 1851:HO107; Piece: 1534; Folio: 174; Page: 36
John Wright/44/greengrocer/Holloway
Jane Wright/39/Tottenham Ct.Rd.
John Wright/19
Mary A Wright/17
William Wright/15
Joseph Wright/13
James Wright/11
Jane Wright/10
Ann Wright/5
Lucy Wright/6 Mo
Edward Silvester/22/visitor
All born Shoreditch unless stated otherwise.
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Can't find a suitable marriage,but this one looks interesting:
St.Leonard,Shoreditch,Aug.22nd. 1831
Anthony John Wright/bachelor/OTP(X)=Jane Oram/spinster/OTP(X).
Wit:Mary Wright(X),Henry Locking & George Yarrow
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Hey you're good at this Jim ;D
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found a birth for Anthony Wright:
St.Mary's Islington(Holloway is in Islington)
b.Dec. 9th. 1808/parents Lawrence & Mary.
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Elizabeth/ch.1805.
Thomas/ch.1807
There's a Lawrence Wright in 1841 living alone aged 60 (ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 in 1841 so could be 64).
Occ:hawker of poultry/not born in County.
There's no sister Mary Wright as per witness but it could have been his mother.
This is not absolutely him but the I can't find any other suitable candidate.
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There's this birth:
Lawrence Wright/ch.6/1/1788/parents/Lawrence & Sarah/add.Little Burr? St.
There's a death for a Lawrence Wright in 1844 giving 2 ages,63(crossed out) & 59.
jim
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Jim - thanks ever so much - invaluable stuff.
All tied in, can you find anything a maiden name for this lady?
1841 Cenus:
Louisa Trott
Aged 7 yrs
Living at Morrell Green, Takeley, Essex
Father Thomas (46) Occupation shown as Agricultural labourer, Mother Sophia (46) & siblings James (20) Jane (17) Sarah (15) Michael (11) Emma (1)
Its Sophia her Mother DoB abt 1795 I'm struggling with - need maiden name, parents, location etc.
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Marr:
Thomas Trott of Takeley=Sophia Chapman.Jan. 20th.1818,Elsenham Essex
Ch:Sophia Chapman/Sept.18th.1796.Elsenham/parents:James & Phoebe.
jim
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Sophia Chapman siblings:
Hannah ch.1799
Mary ch.1801
Sarah ch.1804
All Elsenham
Marr:
James Chapman=Phoebe Phillips/Nov.17th. 1795,Elsenham.
Ch:
James Chapman/Dec.3rd 1775/Elsenham/parents/John & Mary.
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Further help if possible please:
Peter West
Born - Bow brickhill, Buckingham christened or born 8th October 1837
Have found Mothers name as SUSANNA and would like to know maiden name
Christening shows no fathers name, but I have the Fathers name as JOHN WEST
Would also like to see details from 1851 census of the family, location, occupants etc, probably still in Buckingham somewhere.
Thanks
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Peter West Bow brickhill, Buckingham christened or born 8th October 1837
Would also like to see details from 1851 census of the family, location, occupants etc, probably still in Buckingham somewhere.
1841 Bow Brickhill Buckingham
Susan West 25 Lace Maker
Nathaniel 5
Peter 3
Amelia 1
1851 Bow Brickhill HO107; Piece: 1723; Folio: 116; Page: 18;
Susan Chambers Head Mar 37 pauper bobbin lace maker
Nathaniel 15
Peter 13 Ag LAb
Amelia 11 Straw Plaiter
Bendegt son 9
Tamer 5
Elijah 4
William 1
All born Bow Brickhill Buckingham
Marriage Mar 1850 Newport Pagl.
Susannah West to John Chambers
Death
Susannah Chambers
Sep 1852 Newport Pagnell
Having difficulty finding the children in 1861 ???
Obtaining a child's birth certificate would give you their mother's maiden name
(Bow Brickhill is in the registration district of NP)
Peter Samuel West
Sep 1837 Newport Pagnell vol 6 page 278
Amelia West
Sep 1839 Newport Pagnell page 6 vol 364
Tamer West
Dec 1844 Newport Pagnell vol 6 page 370
Elijah West
Mar 1847 Newport Pagnell vol 6 page 418
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;D massive thanks
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You are welcome :)
Possibly Susanna West was not married the only way to know for sure is obtaining birth certificate to see if a father is named
Susannah's marriage to John Chambers should indicate if she was previously married
Peter & Nathaniel West
8 Oct 1837 Bow Brickhill Buckingham
Mother Susanna West NO father named
Ebenezer Bendgio, James, Elijah & William WEST
Christened 26 Aug 1849 Bow Brickhill Buckingham
mother Susannah West NO father named
Wonder if James should be Tamer ???
There's also this one
Pamillia West
16 Jun 1833 Bow Brickhill
mother Susanna West NO father named
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Being a novice at this, I would love some direction on the above information.
Aside from obtaining childrens birth certs, I'm wondering how easy it would be to try and ID a Father or Fathers here. Seems the Fathers name is absent from most records, including some I found independantly.
I have Peter Wests marriage records
14th July 1861 St Philip the Evangelist, Arlington Square, Islington
Father shown as John West
Given above - Susan married John Chapman in 1850 (11 years before Peters wedding) would it therefore be likely, that this is the same John mentioned on the wedding cert by used the West name to make things look less unacceptable?
Next question is - given Susan married in 1850 (John Chapman) the 1851 census shows her as HEAD and again no male reference?? Was she a 1800's bunny boiler lol!!!
EDIT: Looks like we posted responses at the same time :D
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Given the uncertainty of the Fathers and therfore that blood line, I'd love to know more about Susan/Susanna and her parents, location etc.
Thanks
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I have Peter Wests marriage records
14th July 1861 St Philip the Evangelist, Arlington Square, Islington
Father shown as John West
So Peter West married Louisa Trott he seems to have had a middle name CHARLES,
first son also named Charles
1871
Peter 33 Bow Brickhill
Louisa 36
Charles 9
Thomas 7
William 5
Lousia 4
George 2
Walter 3 months
1881c he's name CHARLES
Charles West 43 bow Brickhill Labourer
Lousia 46
Charles 19
Thomas 17
William 15
Lousia 14
George 12
Walter 10
Emma 7
Philip 4
Naomi 2
1891 census Peter has the middle initial ‘C’
Peter C Bow Brickhill
Louisa 55
Charles 29
William 26
George 21
Walter 19
Philip 15
Naomi E
Susan married John Chapman in 1850
Susannah West married John CHAMBERS not CHAPMAN
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Given the uncertainty of the Fathers and therfore that blood line, I'd love to know more about Susan/Susanna and her parents, location etc.
I can't see a baptism for a Susannah West Bow Brickhill ???
There are a number of Susannah's baptized Bow Brickhill namely
Susannah Smith 8 Jan 1810 parents James & Elizabeth
Susannah Henman 8 Mar 1812 parents James & Charlotte
Susannah Garratt 2 Jul 1815 parents William & Elizabeth
There are these two marriages Smith to West on familysearch
Susan Smith to William West
16 Mar 1833 Wycombe Buckinghamshire
Susannah Smith to Thomas West
26 Dec 1834 St Boloph Bishopsgate London
The only way of confirming her maiden name is to obtain one of her children’s birth certificates and then obtain her 1850 marriage certificate to John Chambers which should give you her father’s name
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Superb help thanks
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Gary, as you have Wests in Bow Brickhill (the village is now part of Milton Keynes) you might like to go to the Milton Keynes Heritage Association site www.mkheritage.co.uk and select "View Heritage websites here" and then Bow Brickhill from the list.
Then from the options down the left hand side of the Bow Brickhill site select "Genealogist's page" and you'll see that there is a link to the WEST family.
Might be worth following that up as well as looking at the info on the site about the village to give you a flavour of where Susanna once lived.
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Gary, as you have Wests in Bow Brickhill (the village is now part of Milton Keynes) you might like to go to the Milton Keynes Heritage Association site www.mkheritage.co.uk and select "View Heritage websites here" and then Bow Brickhill from the list.
Certainly will - appreciate all help. Thanks