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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: Clundy on Friday 20 April 12 16:25 BST (UK)
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Hi, I think I have tracked my 4xG Grandfather back to Kilmore, Co Meath (having originally thought that he may be from co Clare). I wonder if anyone can help confirm this through the local records.
I am almost certain that the family are RC (they certainly are later on).
I'm looking for Peter Cleary, born I believe the first week of April 1821 and moving to Co Durham before 1851. I have no parents names, but on the 1851 census he gives his place of birth as Ireland, elaborating on the 1861 census to Kilmoor, which I think is just his Irish accent, as his surname is also Clarey, which must be an accent issue!
I cannot find an 1841 census for him but I know he married in Durham in 1845 as Peter Clarey on the transcription.
Any help gratefully received.
Claire
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Does the marriage cert not show his father's name and occupation ?
I dont see an RC parish named Kilmore but there is a Civil/Church of Ireland one...
What the source of the Kilmore, Co. Meath reference, are you sure it's the one in Co. Meath ?
There are quite a few locations with that name..
Shane
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Hi Shane, thanks for the quick reply, I've decided on Meath as Curraha and Donaghmore keeps popping up (is this the parish?) and I had no luck with the Co Clare connection. Clutching at straws / following instinct???
I'm waiting for delivery of the marriage cert, so I may well be able to add more info when it arrives.
Claire
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There is a townland named Kilmore in Co. Meath, but there are numerous townlands with the same name in other counties - about 80. I would think that the place of birth would given normally be town..rather than a townland or parish.
There are towns named Kilmore in Wexford and Down and a village named Kilmore in Cavan..
Where is your Peter on the 1861 census - have you found him on any later returns ?
I would have to say that Cleary does sound like a Clare name...
Bear in mind that 1821 is very early for an RC baptism - so there may be no record for Peter.
Shane
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Hi Shane, yes I've got him on all the census returns until his death in 1885, all in the Durham city area. The name returns to Cleary as he either loses his accent or begins to spell it for people being Clarry/Clarey/Clary in various other documents.
To be honest I'm a bit confused by townlands etc, would a townland be akin to a village?
Claire
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A townland is the smallest division of land - anywhere from under an acre to over a 1,000. Next up in size are civil parishes, then counties.
Some townlands contains villages, and some can contain towns - but most contain neither.
Also in the mix are Baronies (larger than civil parishes), which dont crop up very often, and Poor Law Unions aka Registration Districts which apply to civil records. RC parishes are different again, and can contain several civil parishes.
Can you post the 1861 details for Peter and family - i.e. the census references or his wife and children's details...
I'd like to check the return to see if there's anything the transcription missed out on..
Shane
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Hi Shane, the reference is Durham>Crossgate>8b>11.
If you're on Ancestry
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=DURRG9_3732_3737-0901&fn=Peter&ln=Clarey&st=r&ssrc=pt_t40298918_p19475874039_kpidz0q3d19475874039z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&pid=12481233
Thanks for the explanation, I'll write that down so I can keep referencing it, I have 2 main branches of my family originating in Ireland, however it's the Cleary's that have caused me the most hassle!
Claire
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it does look like Ireland, Kilmore... maybe with an extra o. Unfortunately that doesn't narrow it down very much.
Have you found him on later returns ?
Shane
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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1871 Durham > Brandon and Byshottles > District 6 > 19 says Kilmoor again but transcribed as Rilmoor
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=DURRG10_4961_4963-0233&fn=Peter&ln=Clarry&st=r&ssrc=pt_t40298918_p19475874039_kpidz0q3d19475874039z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&pid=29320172
1881 Durham > Brandon and Byshottles > District 9 > 14 just Ireland
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=DURRG11_4949_4953-0761&fn=Peter&ln=Cleary&st=r&ssrc=pt_t40298918_p19475874039_kpidz0q3d19475874039z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&pid=4162200
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I think the extra O in "more" is due to the local accent of the census taker.
Thanks for your help Shane.
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pity there's no county mentioned... but at least that's consistent.
I think one of the towns named Kilmore is more likely...
Where did the original Clare clue, and the places you mentioned earlier come from - Curraha and Donaghmore ?
Shane
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I got Kilmaley from somewhere (although I can't find it again now), but hit a dead end there, I even went as far as buying "The Burning of Bridget Cleary" to no avail.
The other places come up repeatedly on Baptism searches for Peter Cleary, but so far none have even been in the correct year.
If I'm honest my own records are in a bit of uproar at the moment, I really need to make the spare room into an office!
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I wouldn't depend on just the year for a record like this - age and years of birth are often inaccurate. (Although it does seem to be consistent at least on the census returns - 40/50/60..)
The problem with a search for a very early baptism like this is that searches only show up the ones recorded and also available online - not necessarily 'your' Peter Clancy.
Maybe wait and see what the marriage cert says - hopefully his father will have a unique name and easy to trace occupation!
Shane
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I hope you're right, although given that there are a line of 4 successive Peters from 1821 - 1900, I'm guessing I'll have no such luck!
Thank you!
Claire
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You probably want to look under the name Clarke rather than Cleary. Ó Cléirigh- anglicised as (O) Clery, Cleary and Clarke. There are Clarkes living all around my family in Trohanny, Meath. If you are able to find a townland associated with them, it should help you trace their roots.
Best of luck!
PJ
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Just to update, fathers name is James Cleary and his occupation is listed as "Land Steward" in 1845 on the marriage cert for Peter. Again, just Ireland for place of living, Kilmaney and Kilmore are all I have to go on!