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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: JAD81 on Thursday 19 April 12 10:54 BST (UK)
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Hi all, I have hit a bit of a brick wall with my research into the Curtis family of Dublin city. They are the same Curtis family that had a brass foundry in various places throughout the city during 1800's and 1900's. Edward Curtis is my direct line but I cannot find where he was baptised or burried!! He was church of Ireland and he married a catholic so they were not burried in the same grave. I dont have exact dates but he was born circa 1853. As far as I know, he worked on the building of the titanic for a few months but other than that, he's a mystery!!
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Do you have a marriage cert for Edward ?
This should give you his father's name and occupation which should help your search.
see: Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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No marriage cert, I've no idea where they were married, I'm guessing a catholic church as all children were catholic! I still have to check registrars office, thats for next week :) I was reading the posts about their brass foundry, they were great!! Glad to see someone else remembered them!!
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Do you know who Edward married ?
there's a possible marriage of an Edward Richard Curtis and Sophia Loton in St. Mark's Church of Ireland, Dublin in 1872 - his occupation looks to be related - Brass Finisher
Shane
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Had a look on that link you posted, can't find him! He married Catherine/Kathleen ?? She's burried in Glasnevin with her son and grandsons. He does list his place of birth as Dublin city on census but maybe the church he was baptised in is long gone!? Was in Dublin yesterday but couldn't get into registrars to get birth cert for their children. Is there records on line for church of Ireland graveyards? Sorry, I haven't much info!!
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do you have details of their children, i.e. any names and dates ?
S.
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He does list his place of birth as Dublin city on census ...
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is this your Edward in 1911 ?
Curtis household - Upr. Dorset St. (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Dorset_Street__Upper/41505/)
S.
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I think Catherine's maiden name may be Little..
year of birth/age is a little out, but there's a baptism for Elizabeth that might fit this family in St. Mary's RC in 1891 to parents Edward Curtis & Catherine Little, with an address at Bolton Street.
Shane
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Could he have been married twice?
Civil records
Edward Richard CURTIS = Sophia LOTON Dublin South 1872 Vol 17 Page 638
Edward Richard CURTIS = Catherine LITTLE Dublin South Jan-Mar 1887 Vol 2 Page 625
There are children in each marrage
Mary Elizabeth 1874 bap St, Marks CoI
Edward Richard 1878 bap St, Marks CoI
Eleanor 1883 bap St, Marks CoI
Anne 1887 Bap St. Mary's ProCathedral 1889
Alfred Edward Wm 1889 Bap St. Mary's ProCathedral 1889
Elizabeth Mary Christina 1891 Bap St. Mary's ProCathedral 1889
There is a death record for Edward Richard CURTIS in Dublin North Apr-Jun 1930 aged 73 Vol 2 Page 258
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Hi again, yes that's him on dorset st. And all those children's names seem to match but there was a kathleen also,she is my direct link. I have her death cert but no birth/baptism cert yet, she was baptised in pro cathedral. All that info seems to be the Edward I'm looking for, thanks so so much for the help, I just couldn't find him anywhere myself!! Did you get names for children from 1st marriage?
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Sorry, post didn't come in properly first time, I see first family children now!!
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.....yes that's him on dorset st. And all those children's names seem to match but there was a kathleen also,she is my direct link. I have her death cert but no birth/baptism cert yet, she was baptised in pro cathedral
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do you have an approximate year of birth for Kathleen ?
see next post
are you sure she was baptised in St. Mary's/Pro Cathedral ?
Shane
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sorry - I see Kathlene on the 1911 return - age 17
based on the other records, I think the ages are a little bit out though... so c1894
Shane
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Yes, def pro cathedral. I got her marriage cert there and they gave me extra info on baptism as December 1894 in pro cathedral. Her name could have been registered as Catherine also. Her middle name was Elizabeth.
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There is one Catherine that I can see in 1894 but the parents are wrong
There is also a Female CURTIS but the time of year was Apr-Jun 1894 which seems unlikely as children were baptised immediately in those days.
Once you have more information from the Pro-Catherdral you may be able to move on
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I had a browse through all the December 1894 baptism images for St. Mary's RC - but didn't see any for Curtis.
(page 221 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1889-1895_ba_0566.pdf) to page 230 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1889-1895_ba_0575.pdf))
Shane
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Just looked up my info here, it's def pro cathedral in dec 1894 from what I have, name on marriage cert is Kathleen. I think I've found her on family pilot, it has her registered as Catherine Curtis, dub south, 1895, vol 2, page 579 but I have to get cert to see for sure.
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Hi, been looking up census to try find children from first marriage of Edward Curtis and Sophia Loton but can't see them and they don't live with Edward's second family in 1901 or 1911. There's a few possibilities on family pilot but would mean they may have been adopted, is there any way of finding this out or is that info not accessible?
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I cannot obviously see them; there are several Mary's that may be the correct one but by 1901 Mary Elizabeth could have been married at age 26 e.g. There is a Mary Curtis marrying in 1900 in Dublin South Jan-Mar V2 P671
Long shot but you've got to try soemwhere!
It may be quite difficult to follow up on them at all
They may have died there are a few death records that match
They may have gone to live with relatives and taken their name
They may have emigrated
unfortunately the possibilities are endless
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Had a further look at the family and went off track a bit but the following is interesting
In www.irishgenealogy.ie when you search for a Sophia Curtis she appears as a witness at many marriages in St. Mark's Church during 1883/4
She may have had some connection to the church??
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lav/
I then thought that maybe the Lotons could be a source information and there seems to be several records that show several siblings, many again attached to St. Mark's Church, the addresses are similar if not the same on many and Blanche Loton married another Brass Finisher!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0law/
I had hoped that this would lead to a family on the 1901 or 1911 which led me to this
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Wellington_Street__Upper/32730/
I think this could be the daughter Mary Elizabeth from the first marriage - all needs proof but sounds good!!
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Thank you so so much!! I've been scribbling all that info down so I can sort it out in my head! Sophia Curtis was very busy indeed with all her witnessing:)
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No problem JAD81
You may by now have also noticed the following entries that could possibly be Edward's siblings; they are marraiges in Dublin for CURTIS with the father in all cases EDWARD a Brass Finisher or Brass Founder
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/20bef80538125
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7163550534961
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/58e59f0534978
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a85e880534929
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f567860535055
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fb82e60535099
Alfred & Eliz KILLINGLEY; Charles & Eleanor McGlinn; and William George & Sarah Jane CURTIS are all listed on the 1901 census
Sorry a bit more scribbling for you!! but maybe many relatives!
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Printer ran out of ink yesterday with all the info I was printing!!:) this is good stuff:) I had seen those marriages alright, pity no mothers name on them but I'll try find Edwards birth/baptism somewhere. Or it might be on marriage cert for 2nd marriage. Doing my best to get into GRO this wk but I'm not very wise to finding my way around the pale, have to get a guide:) The Curtis's would be appalled! Does anyone happen to know where graveyard for st. Marks was/is? Or St. Bride's?
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You'll find your way if its in your genes!!
The GRO on Abbey Street is quite easy to find
If driving park where available to if travelling by
Luas stop at Abbey Street;
DART at Tara Street,
any bus to Bus Aras or Abbey Street
Enter from the large square of the Irish Life Mall/Building on Abbey Street and go towards the left of the square and it is in the building going towards the shopping centre.
Both St. Bride's and St. Mark's had an attached churchyard or else people went to local larger cemeteries
http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/dublin/cemeteries/st-brides.txt
no Curtis there unfortunately
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Thanks for directions and info, hoping to find what I'm looking for when I get there. That link v interesting! He has to be somewhere, have been to glasnevin to see other graves and keep them looking well, would like to do same for him! Guessing he's burried with first wife and seeing as she was so involved with st Marks they were prob burried in that cemetery. I'll keep looking!
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Hi JAD81, You responded to an old post of mine regarding Healy and Curtis brass works.
I'm sorry to say, I've had little luck on that line. Keep an eye out for the name Healy, James or Christopher as witnesses on any of the certs you might find. It might help clarify the Healy Curtis connection.
Regards,
DC.
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Hi DC, had quick look through stuff I got printed before ink ran out, no Healy yet but the surnames Thomas and McGill have cropped up a few times and as far as I can see the Thomas family were connected to brass foundry. I have found a living relative(through marriage so they don't know exact details!) and she said that when the foundry burned down (1916) they spent everything they had to rebuild so I think they may have joined with Healy's then. As far as I know it was Edward's son Alfred who worked with Healy's. He also worked on building of Titanic.
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Hi again, I'm still looking for birth records for Kathleen Curtis. I've been into GRO but the Kathleen there was not the one I'm looking for, there is one on roots Ireland but dates and parents names are wrong however the father is a brass finisher which is a little strange. The date I have is dec 1894 but the more I search the more I wonder about this. Also still looking for Edward Curtis birth record, again searched but cannot find him, his father was also Edward. Would really appreciate any help!!
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Hi again, I'm still looking for birth records for Kathleen Curtis. I've been into GRO but the Kathleen there was not the one I'm looking for, there is one on roots Ireland
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Yes, def pro cathedral. I got her marriage cert there and they gave me extra info on baptism as December 1894 in pro cathedral. Her name could have been registered as Catherine also. Her middle name was Elizabeth.
I think there may be a mistake with either the date or location for this note on the baptism - a while ago (see reply #15) I searched through every baptism in the Pro-Cathedral during December 1894 - and there was none for the surname Curtis, and no pages seemed to be damaged or missing.
RootsIreland doesn't cover much of Dublin city - IrishGenealogy would be a better place to search if Kathleen/Catherine was born in the City..
Shane
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Thanks for reply and sorry for delay in my reply, have just been up to eyes and haven't had a minute to post a reply. I'll keep searching and hopefully will find a birth record soon enough. Thanks again.