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can anyone help how can i find who my gr grandad was married to he married in june 1890 he was called luther royle his wifes name was elizabeth but on the records i have looked at you just get the page with several names on there are two elizabeths on elizabeth simpson and elizabeth brooks how can i find which one it was
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Where did the marriage take place? England? are you looking at www.freebmd.org.uk?
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they lived in manchester at the time so i would imagine they got married there
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Where did you find the record you mentioned in original post?
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FreeBMD gives the marriage registration as Apr.-June 1890 in Chorlton district, volume 8c page 953. Since there are only 2 grooms listed but 3 brides it's likely that the Elizabeth on the page was known by both Simpson and Brooks (perhaps she was a widow). Ordering the certificate will show her details and hopefully clear up some of the confusion for you.
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Use LancashireBMD.
ROYLE Luther m SIMPSON Elizabeth @ Ardwick, St. Silas
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Use LancashireBMD.
ROYLE Luther m SIMPSON Elizabeth @ Ardwick, St. Silas
As I mentioned in earlier post it's possible that Elizabeth Simpson and Elizabeth Brooks are the same person. Getting the marriage certificate would confirm or rule this out.
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Look at the GRO pages from which the names are indexed.
Matilda should be page 963. That leaves two grooms and two brides.
Elizabeth Simpson and Elizabeth Brooks are NOT the same person. FreeBMD doesn't give alternate names unless the writing was poor.
In any case, the parish copy should be available somewhere for less than the cost of a GRO copy.
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Looked up both possible Elizabeths on the 1891 census, and they're both 23, so that doesn't help :(
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British Army World War 1 records have him as a widow but was married to Elizabeth Simpson.
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thanks to all for your help can you tell which site i can go on to find ww1 records
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1890 Apr 5 by banns at St Silas Ardwick
Luther Royle 21 bachelor Labourer 24 Napier St. St Silas
father: John Royle, joiner
Elizabeth Simpson 22 Spinster 242 Viaduct St. St Silas
father: Samuel Simpson, surveyor
Witnesses: David Simpson & Susan Coulson
Found on www.familysearch.org by browsing through images of original registers. England, Lancashire, Cheshire,Yorkshire, Parish Registers , 1603-1910. ( Lancashire, Ardwick(St Silas) marriages 1887-1893 Image 101 of 248). I started at Image 100 so an easy search!
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According to Lancashire BMD, Elizabeth Brooks married John T Spender at Ardwick
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BROOKS Elizabeth BRACEGIRDLE Henry Openshaw, St. Barnabas Manchester 107/3/181
BROOKS Elizabeth SPENDER John T Ardwick, St. Silas Manchester 20/3/203
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Found on www.familysearch.org by browsing through images of original registers. England, Lancashire, Cheshire,Yorkshire, Parish Registers , 1603-1910. ( Lancashire, Ardwick(St Silas) marriages 1887-1893 Image 101 of 248). I started at Image 100 so an easy search
How do you do this? Been on family search lots of times but didn't know you could look at original registers.
Thanks Marie
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I'll try and explain but I'm not great at this!
www.familysearch.org
Browse by location - click on British Isles
Historical Record Collections - this gives a list of all collections - some say "Browse images" - just click on appropriate collection.
Others such as England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire do not say browse images but if you click on this collection then scroll down the page to "View Images in this Collection" the next line says "Browse through 332,814 images" - click on this and it will give a list of Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire. Click on appropriate county and up will come a list of the parishes - click on parish and it will give baptism, marriage or burial and dates covered. Not all parishes and not all years are covered but there are quite a few.
From the years covered e.g. 1887 - 1897 it will give no of images - this is where an educated guess comes in - divide the no of years by no of images and put in e.g. Image 150 - press enter and up will come a page of register with date - if too early try later and vice versa.
Can be long winded but practice helps and loads of free marriage certs with original signatures.
Good luck!
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Many thanks for your help. I have printed out your instructions, and tried it out.
Great seeing the actual registers, signatures etc.
Again many thanks
Marie
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You're welcome - I'm always glad to help someone find out more.