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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: zulukraal on Monday 16 April 12 10:08 BST (UK)
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Beginner...
A Pipe owned a department store in Ipswich in the 1930s. He had a daughter, Penelope Ann (my MIL, died 1995 in Richmond) by a woman who subsequently disappeared. as far as I know he then remarried and had a son David, still living.
Any pointers to info about Pipe and his first wife much appreciated.
Steve
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If this is your penelope Ann -then you have her death reg a year"out" ??
Death reg
Penelope Ann Delanghe
born 15 Aug 1928
death reg July 1994
Richmond Upon Thames
25A 2481 9
Suz
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Steve, when did Pipe and his first wife marry please?
charlotte
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This may be the scenario???
Birth reg
Vida E hammond
Dec qtr 1910
Bury St Edmunds
4a 866
Marriage reg
Vida E hammond
John C Pipe
Sept qtr 1927
St martin
1a 1471
Birth reg
Penelope A Pipe
mother's maiden name Hammond
Sept qtr 1928
Samford
4a 1547
possibly John C Pipe and Vida E divorced
Vida remarried
Marriage reg
Frank N Turner
Vida E Pipe or hammond
Mar qtr 1935
Westminster
1a 802
Death reg
Vida Evelyn Turner
born 14 Sept 1910
death reg April 2003
age 92
Hastings & Rother
B84A 456 1B
Suz
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Suz, You are a veritable ferret ;D Well done.
charlotte
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John Clifford Pipe was born 1890 Lowestoft, died June quarter 1968 Samford Registration District, Suffolk.
He married first as stated by suzard.
He then married a Sheila F. Gwynne-Furley Dec.qtr.1934 London City and the son you mention then born 1935 in Samford Regn. District, Suffolk.
John died in Jun.qtr.1968 Samford.
As to the department store in Ipswich - I'm a local and have never heard of it I'm afraid. We didn't have many department stores at the time you are interested in - perhaps he had invested and was a director or something of one of them.
His father Edgar was a Bank Manager and John's initial occupation was in a bank also.
Annette
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Vida, as stated by suzard, remarried in Westminster 1935.
In March quarter 1936 Westminster a daughter was born to a Turner (mmn Hammond) so Vida may have had another child as well. I cannot see a marriage or death entry for said person so they may still be living.
Annette
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Wow, so quick 8-)
Many thanks Suz, Charlotte, Annette. After Vida took off there was no contact between her and Penny, and there was quite a rift between Penny and Penny's step-relations, so she felt rather isolated. She made several attempts to trace Vida but before the internet it was too difficult. At least her children now have some answers.
So thanks again, very much appreciated
Steve
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Oh, and it seems that John Clifford Pipe's shop in Ipswich was called Limmer and Pipe, and he lived in Elton Park House. Vida was also known as Gunkha
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Had to google Limmer and Pipe as I honestly have never heard of it. It seems it was in The Buttermarket although where exactly I can't establish.
Elton Park House sounds like it must have been in the Hadleigh Road area of Ipswich.
Annette
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Wartime childhood in Ipswich -kindred spirits givea a good description of Limmer & and Pipe's high class grocers
There has also been a Limmer & Pipe meat paste pot lid sold on ebay!!!!! Don't know what it fetched???
Suz
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It seems that Vida's parents were Evelyn FE Hammond and Winifred M Prance, and she had a step brother, Octavius, from Evelyn's second marriage to Aileen Vera Garrett. Plenty to go on now 8-)
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Octavius would be half brother if they shared 1 parent
???
Suz
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This may be of interest
Octavious Arthur E Hammond b. 10 Nov 1928 died 1998 (-who we believe was half brother to Vida Evelyn) didn't marry until he was in his early 40's and it seems his first born daughter was given the same forenames as your mother in law
So maybe she wasn't forgotten by her mum's family???
If you need more information I will PM you
Suz
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Hi Suz
I've been lucky and now have a bit of info from elsewhere, including a couple of pictures of Vida.
Vida's dad Evelyn had a third wife, Dilys Gwendoline Morris/Cook who died in 1983 in Swindon.
There seems to be a fair bit of info about the Hammonds and Pipes... phew!
Info about Octavious very welcome 8-)
Steve
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Will PM you
Suz
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Hi Steve,
If you want any details of John's ancestry back several generations I can help with that. Likewise I have some details regarding the family line from his son David, and their connection with the Wakefield family (Bt Wakefield of Kendal).
John would be a distant cousin of mine (6th)
Michael Pipe
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Hi Michael
That's very kind, yes please. We've just started building the Delanghe tree on Ancestry.com - it's currently private, but if you'd like to have a look let me know. David is my wife's uncle and I believe he's done some research but haven't got around to asking him yet. I've yet to learn what to call the various relationships 8-)
Steve
DeLanghe, DeClerck - Belgium
Hammond, Pipe, Prance - Suffolk
Owen, Jackson, Brett, Johnson, Herbert, King - London
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Hi David
I will send a private message.
Michael
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Hi
I seem to have come to this after several years, so I don't know if anyone will reply. I see that Zulukraal has the following names listed: Delanghe, Hammond, Pipe and Prance. I have been chasing up the Prance family tree, so the connection is via Winifred Mary Prance B. 1883 and her brother Miles Herbert Prance B. 1868. I am particularly interested in Miles Herbert Prance and perhaps his sons (Miles Howard and Herbert Guy Prance). I would be grateful for any information on this family. I have all the usual census data, but sometimes family recollections carry so much more weight. I have a tree on Ancestry for the Prance family.
Dave