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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: OldBrummie on Monday 16 April 12 04:18 BST (UK)
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I have the marriage record from St. Martin's Birmingham Parish Records for Thomas Chinery and Mary Wright 11th March 1776. We know from Thomas' death record that he was born c 1752. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no record of his birth in or near Birmingham and we believe he migrated from another part of England, possibly Norfolk or Suffolk. Extensive searches have failed to prove who he was or where he came from.
May I ask if it is at all possible to determin from the Parish Records (or any other source) who his parents were and or where he came from.
An answer might just stop the rest of my hair from falling out.
Many thanks. OldBrummie.
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The Parish record states he's "of this Parish" but he would only have to be resident for 3 weeks.There are no family members as witnesses & his 6 children all have pretty common names so there's nothing outstanding to hook onto I'm afraid.
jim
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Many thanks Jim. I take it from your reply that there isn't even an address on the record.
Would you know if there might be any other types of records I might follow up.
OldBrummie
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Depending on what sort of family they were there may be a will but that would be unlikely to mention any parents or place of birth.
There's nothing on the marriage entry other than "of this Parish".
It appears I missed out 4 children.
It looks like a dead end I'm afraid.
jim
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Don't give up hope.Try other more obscure records.
Birmingham has rate books of the city for this date which would give his location and profession.If on previous years there was another Mr Chinnery at the same address,chances are they are related.Even knowing the proffession could give you access to occupational records that may help.
Poor law records might give you details of his family earlier even if born elswhere and moving to the town.In theory if a man moved from elsewhere he needed a settlement certificate to give to the new parish in case he claimed poor relief.It may have survived,you never know.
If you can trace possible parents then look at their wills,Birmingham will be at Lichfield Record office indexed by year and letter.So look up C for the period and check the possible wills ,they may have left something to son Thomas.
The family could be quaker or non-conformists marrying in the area but not baptising at the anglican church.There is a meeting house on Bull Street which goes back to th 1700's.
Then you have things like apprentice records.There is a national tax on apprentices at this time,list on line at Ancestry.
Chinnery surname map distribution 1881 says the name came from Suffolk,Norfolk,Essex and London .A few others in Warwickshire,Yorkshire and lancashire are probably from one person moving there.Are there possible baptisms on the IGI that would fit and can you trace a will for those parents?
They may be at the National Archives or even London signatures database rather than locally.It's a big job but can turn up trumps.
I tracked down my John Widlake spitalfields to a family of tailors in Minehead thanks to a will at London signatures of his mom and dad in Minehead.
Keep going
Ciderdrinker
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Many thanks Ciderdrinker. There's certainly a lot to considder. We have almost come to the conclusion that Thomas Chinery most probably came from Suffolk. It's proving it that is difficult. I will take on board your advice. I am locked into findmypast at the moment and can't currently access ancestry. Plus, much as I would like to do some "footwork" it's a bit difficult from New South Wales, Australia.
We will battle on though.
Regards, OldBrummie.
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There is a good chance Thomas Chinery came from Suffolk, there are enough there!! We've three generations of Thomas' in the 1600s, and are still struggling to work out the siblings of that family as there are so many of the same names.
It's probably worth looking at the pattern of children's names which may not necessarily be connected to the wife's family, and perhaps work from there. Even if they are common names, some of these do run in families more than others. We've been lucky with George and Henry running through, just trying to work out who belongs to who has been the issue.
As ciderdrinker has said, you'll probably need to do some creative researching to work this one out. ;)
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Hi Smudwhisk. I know well the problems you describe. Just looking for Thomas Chinerys wife Mary Wrights birth has proved just as difficult. Using Warwickshire (we assume she was born in or near Birmingham) as a base I got in excess of 4600 entries on familysearch.org. I gave up after looking at over 280 of them and selecting some 25 possibles in or close to Birmingham in the period 1745-1755.
You haven't by any chance found a lone Thomas in your searches born c1752 who you have been unable to follow up? Suffolk does seem most likely though we have one prospect in Uttoxeter.
OldBrummie
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Hi OldBrummie
Unfortunately we're not that far forward yet! My last direct Chinery married out of the family in 1699 and it's taken us a while to confirm who her parents were. Now trying to piece the family together so you never know. We have a William Ray in Birmingham who migrated from Norwich, however he would appear to have dropped his middle name after marrying and so far have no idea what happened to him from the mid-1840s so I know how you feel!
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Pete - It's Glenn Chinery from the USA. I have the info on Thomas Chinery --- AND his father --- AND his grandfather. I've also found out definitively who "William the Migrant" is (William Chinery who showed up in New York City in 1828. Email me; I sent you a couple of emails in the last few days.
-Glenn
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Hi Glenn,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
We are having problems with Oldbrummie's emails at the moment - is he the Pete that you are referring too ???
All the Best
Sarah :)
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Yes - OldBrummie is P**** P**** from Australia, a distant cousin. We were regularly collaborating on researching our common ancestors up until I had to take a several month break for medical reasons. Now I don't get any responses from my emails. I hope he's ok.
-Glenn CHinery
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Hi Glen,
I have edited OldBrummie's email address, lets hope he is ok and able to pick up his new notifications..
All the Best
Sarah :)
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Greetings,
I am in search of the marriage records for Susan (Susannah) Chinery and William (Wilhelm) Bowers. They lived and had many children in the West Village of New York City, NY. William was born in Germany, but I have little information on Susan. Perhaps they lived somewhere else before moving to New York. I have check marriage records in Find my Past, Ancestry.com, Family Search. The date of marriage should be somewhere in the range of 1870-1890.
Thank you in advance for any help you can offer,
Anne
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Hi
I can't see your marriage but Susan looks to be a witness on her sister Charlotte's marriage in 1874.
Charles Smith 21 seaman 44 Clarkson St parents Baltasar Smith and Frances Martha Herbert, married Charlotte Chinery 22 348 Hudson St 11th .Sep.1874
Parents Charles Chinery and Ann Kelly
witness Susan Chinery
Unfortunately Charlotte is working as a domestic in 1870 and not with the family.
Mother Ann born 1812 Ireland widow is with the couple in 1880.
Charlotte buried /died 19th April 1898.
Charles Chinery married Ann Kelly 22.9.1838 at Transfigaration NY Catholic Church Age 25 and 22.
The couple have 3 children baptised there.- Eliza 11 Jan/15th 1844 ,Charles John 11th Jan 1846 and Susan born 11 Jan 1848 bapt 4.6.1848.
Ann Kelly Chinery buried Woodside 23rd June 1884 bc 1821 d of James and Ann Kelly
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/252739835/ann-chinery
Father Charles could be the Charles Chinery born 1.11.1816 Birmingham bapt 11.1.1819 St Martin's Birmingham s of William and Charlotte Chinery nee West.
William and Charlotte married at St Mary's Handsworth 6th April 1807.
William was a Lapidary and moved to New York by 1830 when he was naturalized.
(He recommended James Chinery engraver of Birmingham for his naturalization. James born 1794 was the son of Thomas and Mary and applied Nat. 11.11.1830.)
Charlotte 1792- 4th Sep 1842 Manhattan died of consumption and was buried Rutgers St Cemetery.
Children Charles 21.8.1809,Ann born 16.8.1811 bapt 7.1.1811,Elizabeth 26.3.1813,Charles 1816,William born 10.3.1819 ,bapt 12th March 1821.
I'm not tracking them too well in NY but that could be down to the spelling of their surname.
Of course I could be wrong and finding Susan's marriage would help a lot. And obviously the birth for Susan seems a bit early .
I'll keep digging.
Ciderdrinker
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Got them!
1855 NY census
Charles Chinery 40 England
Ann 39 Ireland
Mary J 13 New York
Eliza 11
Charlotte 9
Susanna 7
Ellen Conley 22 border Ireland
Bridget Johnson 18 border Ireland
Elizabeth /Eliza married Theodore Manson 25.11.1869.
It looks like the Chinerys in NY are all connected.
Ciderdrinker
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My records indicate that Charles Chinery was married to Ann Finnegan of Roscommon. Yours are showing Ann Kelly. I am in search of a death cert for Ann Chinery to see if one Ann was replaced with another. Hmmm.
Thank you for all of your help. It's always interesting how one question can lead one down a long path with many twists and turns.
Thanks,
Anne
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Hi
I got Ann's surname from the children's christenings. So I ran with that.
Ciderdrinker