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Here is what I have on him.
PRIVATE WILLIAM GEORGE INGRAM
Service # S74053
SERVICE AUSTRALIAN ARMY
DATE OF BIRTH 17 JANUARY 1905
PLACE OF BIRTH SEE, INDIA
DATE OF ENLISTMENT 6 MAY 1942 -- LOCALITY ON ENLISTMENT - INNESTON, SA
PLACE OF ENLISTMENT - STENHOUSE BAY, SA
NEXT OF KIN- INGRAM, FLORENCE (I expect that is a wife.)
DATE OF DISCHARGE- 25 AUGUST 1944
POSTING AT DISCHARGE- 7 BATTALION VOLUNTEER DEFENCE CORPS
Source: http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran_certificate.asp?VeteranID=725386
He is son of my grandfather's brother, William Ingram of Scotland 1872-1911 and of Elizabeth May Ingram (nee Champion) of England. He was born in Bangalore, India while his father was stationed there. He is in Cambuslang, Scotland in 1911 census with paternal grandparents, his widowed mother, and 2 siblings, ARTHUR CHARLES INGRAM, b 1906 & Annie b 1909.
The next evidence of William jr is his Australian service record. His mother remarried George William Rowan in Brookton, West Australia. His brother was in Brookton, too. I'd like information on any of them.
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Here is the marriage of William George and Florence in Sth Aust.
11.1.1927 - William George INGRAM m. Florence Caroline KOOP at Res. of G.T. Koop, Yorketown.
Grooms father: George INGRAM
Brides father: George Theodor KOOP
District : Dal
Book 310 Pg 76
SA birth records only go to 1928 and there is a son born to them in 1928. This person may still be living so I won't post the details.
** Correction - son born 1927**
Hope that helps a little,
Sashar
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The son born 1927 was Rex Charles INGRAM.
Rex died 1927 (found online at SAGHS) - *someone may be able to help with those details*
In 1938 there is also the death of Colin or Collin INGRAM, father William George *help needed with details here as well*
Rex and Collin are buried Yorketown Pink Lake Cemetery, Sth Australia.
Regards,
Sashar
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Florence Caroline INGRAM died 1978 (found on SAGHS). SA death records finish 1972.
Florence and William are buried at Centennial Park (Lutheran Section).
http://headstones2.weebly.com/centennial-park-lutheran-monumental.html
Sashar
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Here's the details...... :)
Rex Charles INGRAM aged 2 days of Yorketown died 22nd June 1927 at Yorketown.
Father = William George INGRAM
Ref = Dal H 496/20
Dee :)
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and the other...
Colin George INGRAM aged 4 weeks of Yorketown died 24th April 1938 at Yorketown.
Father = William George INGRAM
Ref = Dal H 601/1544
Dee :)
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Another link for Centennial Park. William George died 1964 **another death lookup may help here**
http://www.centennialpark.org/deceased-search/deceased-search.html?view=results&maplinkid=4547&template=centennial
Thanks Dee for posting the children's death details.
Sashar :)
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Possibly another child’s death……
Kenneth George INGRAM aged 6 months of Yorketown died 17th June 1930 at North Adelaide.
Father = George William INGRAM
Ref = Ade H 521/485
Looks like he died in the Children’s Hospital. :'(
Dee :)
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Last one I can do for now..... ;)
William George INGRAM aged 59 of Western Flat died 19th October 1964 at Western Flat.
Ref = Rob 981/7374
No relative given.
Dee :)
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Arthur Charles Ingram served in WW2.
INGRAM ARTHUR CHARLES : Service Number - WX700 : Date of birth - 08 Oct 1906 : Place of birth - BANGALORE INDIA : Place of enlistment - NORTHAM WA : Next of Kin - ROWAN ELIZABETH
cheers,
Ros
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Arthur Charles Ingram died at age 80 in 1987
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00087308
cheers,
Ros
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Hi,
You could email the National Archives of Australia and find out the costs etc of getting a copy of William George Ingram's WW2 records, I have done this in the past.
http://www.naa.gov.au/
Gerry
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I can't find a marriage for Arthur Charles Ingram in W.A. http://www.wamarriage.info/ (but nor can I find Elizabeth's remarriage)
On ER he is living by himself as a storekeeper in Kweda, Beverley, W.A. from 1949 - 1980
cheers,
Ros
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http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=737386#summary1
NOK is Elizabeth ROWAN who appears to be the wife of George William ROWAN, Brookton.
Australian Electoral Roll
1943 NT
INGRAM Arthur Charles Pine Creek Carpenter
1943 WA
INGRAM Arthur Charles C/- G W Rowan, Brookton Labourer
ROWAN George William Brookton Railway Employee
ROWAN Elizabeth May Brookton HD
Cheers
Cando
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Dear rosball, deeiluka, SASHAR, and cando!
You've really helped me out, and I thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
At the end of last week, all I knew was that my granddad's brother had passed away of a fever somewhere near the Cape, enroute from India, and that after the 1911 census I had no idea what happened to his wife and children.
This is amazing. I'd sure like to discover more details. How sad that William and Florence lost their boys. i hope some children lived.
Wonder what William was doing in Western Flat. And do you think there were 2 Arthur Charles Ingrams, one in WA and one in NT? Or since 1943 is while he is in the service, might he have registered himself while stationed in NT? Still the carpenter thing is odd, unless that is what the army had him doing.
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Perhaps his service file will help answer your questions.
For a small fee you could purchase the Funeral Application form for Arthur's funeral.
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/ResearchAndGenealogy/FuneralApplicationForm.aspx
Cheers
Cando
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It would appear that Elizabeth May INGRAM did not marry Geo Wm ROWAN.
Her burial is in the name of INGRAM aka ROWAN.
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00023230
Australian Electoral Roll - possibly Elizabeth, son and 'partner'
1931, 1936, 1937
ROWAN Arthur Charles Argus Street, Narrogin Labourer
ROWAN George William Argus Street, Narrogin Labourer
ROWAN May Argus Street, Narrogin Married
1943 already posted
1954
ROWAN Elizabeth May Kweda HD
ROWAN George William Brookton Handyman
1958
ROWAN Elizabeth May Kweda HD
ROWAN George William Kweda Handman
In 1963 she was on the electoral roll with address Kweda.
Deaths
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
ROWAN Elizabeth May
District Perth 82 years Parents Unknown Reg#3800
ROWAN George William
Father Benjamin Mother Anne
District Perth 73 years 1959 Reg#1573
Cheers
Cando
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Hmmmm It would help to find emigration/immigration to find
When did Elizabeth and the boys go to Australia?
Did they have the girl Annie Champion Ingram with them?
Were they in the company of GW Rowan?
Was Elizabeth a Rowan?
The AKA Ingram is in keeping with Scottish law and custom, even if she had not had children named Ingram, she'd be listed as both. Another cousin who died in Perth, although they had no children at all, was (death) registered as both her maiden and married surname.
What I would find more curious is that Elizabeth May seems to have completely shed her maiden name of Champion. I had heard (it was just presumed?) that after the 1911 census, she went with the children to live with her family in England. Wonder if there is any truth to that?
Australia is/was the land of new beginnings, right?
The other son was in SA, so I wonder which area they first went... or even if they went together.
It is truly said that one answer only leads to many more questions.
Onward....
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I found a couple more voters' list entries and some more details, through the use of links mentioned by others, thank you all very much again!
So here is the synopsis of Arthur Charles Ingram's life:
8 Oct 1906 Birth - Bangalore, Karnataka, India
April 1911 Census in Cambuslang, Scotland
Sister Annie b 1909 missing from this point forward.
No record yet found regarding emigration from UK to Australia.
11 Jan 1927 Brother William George married in Yorketown, South Australia.
Back to Arthur Charles-
1931 Age: 25 Residence Argus Street, Narrogin, Williams, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia - Listed as Charles Arthur Rowan; Labourer; Argus Street, Narrogin, Williams, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia
1936 Age: 30 Residence Argus Street, Narrogin, Williams, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia - Listed as Charles Arthur Rowan, Labourer; with George William Rowan, labourer, and May Rowan at Argus St., Narrogin, Williams, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia
1937 Age: 31 Residence - Argus St., Narrogin, Williams, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia Labourer, listed as Arthur Charles Rowan with George William Rowan, labourer, and May Rowan at Argus St., Narrogin, Williams, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia
He used his mother's new married (?) name of Rowan, until he entered the military. Then he became Ingram again:
10 Nov 1939 Age: 33 Military
Brookton, Northam, Western Australia, Australia
AUSTRALIAN ARMY ENLISTMENT 10 NOVEMBER 1939; DISCHARGE 28 SEPTEMBER 1945; 2/11 BATTALION
Military Serial Number
Northam, Western Australia, Australia
WX700 Australian Army ENLISTMENT 10 NOVEMBER 1939;
1943 Age: 37 Residence - Beverley, Swan, Western Australia, Australia
c/o G. W. Rowan, Brookton, Labourer Arthur was in military at this time.
While in service
DISCHARGE 28 SEPTEMBER 1945
1949 Age: 43 Residence - Brookton, Beverley, Canning, Western Australia, Australia
Occupation, Shopkeeper.
Note: Another Ingram in Brookton is John Leslie who is a railroad employee. Arthur's stepfather, GW Rowan is also railroad worker.
1954 Age: 48 Residence - Kweda, Beverley, Canning, Western Australia, Australia
Occupation, Shopkeeper; Mother is there home duties; step-father is in Brookton as a handyman.
19 October 1964 Death of brother, William George Ingram in Western Flat or just 'East', South Australia, Australia.
28 Nov 1964 Death of mother at Perth; ashes scattered in garden ay Karrakatta Cemetery.
1972 Age: 66 - Residence - Kweda, Beverley, Canning, Western Australia, Australia
Storekeeper
1977 Age: 71 Residence - Kweda, Beverley, Canning, Western Australia, Australia
Storekeeper
Age: 74 Residence - Kweda, York, O'Connor, Western Australia, Australia
Storekeeper in Kweda. 6306
1987 17 Feb Age: 80
Death Kweda, West Australia
Application KC00087308 http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00087308
1987
Cremation Western Australia Ashes scattered to the winds at Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth.
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Hi, my name is Kel (Kelvin) Turner. I am originally from Brookton WA. I am writing as I knew Arthur Charles Ingram personally. He was the grandfather that I never had. The reason I am writing is I have many of his and the families personal items. Such as his war medals, his fathers medals, his mothers midwifery papers just to mention a few. If I can be of any help please do not hesitate to ask. Arthur always said all his family where deceased. So hence the reason I have much of his personal effects.
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Hi Carolyn, I am only 49 and live in New South Wales. I have just returned from WA following my fathers passing. I never new Arthur's mother or MR Rowan. My father and Arthur where mates for years. My father organized his funeral. Arthur lived with us for a time. In his later years He stayed quite often. He always called me Ned after Ned Kelly. When He passed he left all his belongings to my Dad and my self. I still have his 1950 morris truck that he used to carry goods to his store at Kweda. I could write a book on him as he was always part of our family from the day I was born. We looked after him in latter years. He died from a cancer in his throat. He was a gifted Man in almost anything he did.His carpentry skills where second to none. He did have a temper though, you kept away if that ever surfaced. Lol. As a child he taught me so much. He left his mark on me which will be there until I die. I have many of his war trophies that he gave me before his death. My email is (*) I am more than happy to assist you in any way. Please tell me how you are related. Best Regards Kel Turner
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Hello, I am researching "George Ingram" who married Caroline Elizabeth Lear in India, about 1880.
I cannot find any further yet but still trying. Please be in touch if any possible link. Liz
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Hi herefords,
;D Welcome to Rootschat ;D
George and Caroline married in 1868.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNZ-JNY
George INGRAM
Age 25
Caroline Elizabeth LEAR
Age 17
Married 01 Jul 1868
Place Moulmein, Bengal, India
Groom's father William INGRAM
Bride's father George LEAR
You will also find the baptisms of several children in India. At least one of their sons also married there and Caroline was born in Madras and died in Bengal in 1878.
https://familysearch.org/search/
Debra :)
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A belated thank you for all your help. Another piece in the jigsaw!