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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: alys on Sunday 15 April 12 14:34 BST (UK)
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I’m quite new to this website and have enjoyed reading previous posts. I’ve noticed interest in the family of Matthew Smellie of Medrox here and elsewhere on the web. I can share some information on Matthew and hope that someone can expand on the gaps that I have. My information about Matthew comes principally from the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh.
Through looking at sasines for Medrox I found that the father of Matthew was Robert Smellie (Smailly) and that Matthew had brothers called Adam, David and John. Robert Smellie is described as a portioner of Wester Gartshore (Dunbartonshire). Robert was a Quaker and gave a piece of his land at Wester Gartshore to be a “burial-place” for the Friends of Truth in 1674. I discovered in the Records for the Society of Friends that “Matthew Smailly sone lawful to Robert Smailly and Agnes Thomsone in garshore was born upon the twentie one day of the eleaventh month 1681”. I believe Matthew was baptised into the Church of Scotland in 1719 (following the death of his father?). He married Jean Anderson, daughter of Andrew Anderson of Mossfinnan, about Feb 1719 at New Monkland. The baptismal records for New Monkland parish indicate that Matthew and Jean lived at Medrox, but Matthew also inherited property at Wester Gartshore following the death of his brother Adam about 1730.
Matthew had a sister Mary who married James Gray of Wester Muckcroft in 1720 at a Quaker ceremony “at the broken Cross of Hamilton”. The form of the ceremony is given in the record along with a list of witnesses, one of whom was Mathow Smily. Their father Robert was dead at the time of the marriage. I know that Mary and James Gray remained Quakers.
I’m curious to know why and when the Smellies finally left Medrox. I have births for Matthew’s eldest son John and his wife Elizabeth Shanks at Easter Medrox till 1773, and there are births for Matthew’s grandson John and his wife Margaret McLean till 1811 at East Medrox. By 1817 - 21 they might have lived close by at Craigend.
My line is through the daughter of John Smellie and Elizabeth Shanks, Jean, who married Robert Black, a weaver in Airdrie.
I would love to hear from anyone who has further information to add, or I'd be happy to help anyone researching this line - if I can. I have more information than I have given here and could follow any leads at NAS in Edinburgh - always providing I can read the handwriting!
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John Waddell farmer in Ryden and Mary Shanks made a joint will on 31 December 1798 in which they stated that they had 'no child of our own'. They appointed as executors Alexander Waddell, mason at Glasgow and John Smellie of Easter Medrox. They mention Gavin Waddell farmer in Airdrie and he gave "... a receipt to Mary Shanks widow of John Waddell whose death happened in the month of September 1799."
Mary Shanks widow of John Waddell farmer at Ryden residing at Gordronan made a will dated 5 October 1822 in which she appointed as executors John Smellie of Easter Medrox, Alexander Waddell of Stonefield [her brother-in-law], David Shanks of Gain and James Mochrie of Gordronan.
She mentions James Mochrie, and Robert Mochrie merchant in Airdrie her nephew
Her sister Elizabeth Shanks
Adam Smellie, James Smellie
David Shanks, Elizabeth Shanks and Helen Shanks all children of the deceased James Shanks portioner of Gain, her brother
James Shanks, Thomas Shanks and Jean Shanks children of her deceased sister Margaret Shanks
John Smellie, Thomas Smellie, James Smellie, Robert Smellie, David Smellie, Jean Smellie, Margaret Smellie, Helen Smellie and Elizabeth Smellie all children of Elizabeth Shanks.
I have a copy of the full wills somewhere, and a tree based on them. PM me your e-mail address if you would like a copy of the tree.
Mary's husband John Waddell was my 4th-great-granduncle. He was the son of John Waddell and Helen Wotherspoon.
James Smellie and William Waddell (not, as far as is known, cloesly related to John W above) seem to have exchanged pieces of land in 1817, because the Abridgments of Sasines contain the following: "No 8497 1817-12-06 PR 59.206 William Waddle, Portioner, North Medrox, and James Smellie, Portioner, Craigend, Seised, for their respective interests, Nov 24 1817 in 18 Falls and 35 ells of ground being part of the lands of Medrox, small park or inclosure measuring 1 Rood 4 falls and 13 ells of ground being parts of the lands of Craigend, par New Monkland; on Con Excamb between them, Oct 22 Nov 24 1817." (Con Excamb is short for 'Contract of Excambion', excambion being a Scots Law term meaning exchange of lands.)
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This is music to my ears! I have these other surnames and places you mention in my tree, as well as Blacks of New Monkland that I see you are interested in too. I will send you a PM after this.
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Great!
I am interested in knowing who Robert Black was - so far I don't have him attached to any family.
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Hi:
I have just become a new member. I have researched my mother's ancestry of Smellie's back to Robert Smellie (Smailly) married to Agnes Thomsone. Although I do not have any additional information on Robert and Agnes, I know that their son Mathew Smellie (Smailly) b. 1694 (married 1719 ) Jean Anderson. Matthew and Jean lived on a farm in Medrox, New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland.
I have the line of this branch of Smellie`s in Scotland until a John smellie married to Jane Miller (who died) and John remarried and left Scotland and immigrated to Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. His 2nd wife (name unknown) died on the voyage to Canada.
I would sincerely appreciated any info, or family tree you may have on this Smellie clan while in Scotland , and I am most willing to answer any questions that you may have in regard to this line
from the info I have collected to date.
I look forward to future correspondence.
Sincerely,
Gary Lanark Bragg (son of Kathleen Joan Smellie ) born Huntingdon, Quebec - 1918
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Hi Forfarian:
Robert Black (a weaver in Airdrie) was the husband of Jean Smellie b. 1754. Jean was the daughter of ........John Smellie b. 1735 ... Medrox, New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland ... was married to Elizabeth Shanks b. 1736.
Regards,
Gary
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Robert Black (a weaver in Airdrie) was the husband of Jean Smellie b. 1754.
Thank you.
When I say I would like to know who Robert Black was, I mean that I would like to know who his parents were, to see whether he is one of the many Robert Blacks in my tree.
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Hi Gary
I tried to post a reply to you the other day but it hasn't appeared. I'll try again but keep it short. A PM might be better.
You can find information on Matthew's birth in 1681, his parents' marriage in 1679, his sister Marie's marriage to James Gray in 1720, in the Historical Search Room at the National Records of Scotland, Edinburgh. I have photos of entries in the Records of the Society of Friends. (Quakers) relating to the Smellie/Smailly family.
I have a public tree on Ancestry with all the sources which I can try to make available to you or I could try a gedcom.
Alys
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Good Morning ALYS:
Thank-You very much for your help and the information you have sent. I am quite new to the site and my computer skills are very limited. Unfortunately, I do not know what you mean when you state a "PM" might be better ? Again, your information will take me to avenues of information I never thought I would ever see and for this I am very greatful.
Gary
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Hi Gary
This might be a case of the blind leading the blind but Monica will keep us right. I'm fairly new to Rootschat myself which probably accounts for the hiccup the other day. A PM is a Private Message. If you hover over the "circles, icons?" in the left hand column you should be able to contact me off-line. I think we have a lot of information to share. You have to have made 3 posts to do this but I think you have done made 3 posts already. I'l try to contact you this way, but again I tried to contact someone this way earlier today and I'm not convinced the message has got through. I do think that one way or another we should keep in touch regarding the Smellies.
Alys
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Robert Black (a weaver in Airdrie) was the husband of Jean Smellie b. 1754. Jean was the daughter of ........John Smellie b. 1735 ... Medrox, New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland ... was married to Elizabeth Shanks b. 1736.
Something not quite right here. John Smellie and Elizabeth Shanks were married in 1762 and their daughter Jean was born in 1764.
As you know, Alys, I have been wondering if Jean's husband Robert Black could be the son of Gavin Black and Janet Waddell, born at Rawyards in 1766? Note that Robert and Jean named their first daughter Janet and their second son Gavin.
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I have a Margaret Smellie b. May 13, 1771 (parents) John Smellie & Elizabeth Shanks married 1762, New Monklands, Lanark, Scotland ....Margaret was married to John Black b. Aug. 1, 1769 ...they were (married) July 1795 in New Monklands, Lanark, Scotland ...children Thomas 1796, Mary 1798, Margaret 1800, Margaret 1801 , John 1803, Helen 1805, Jean 1807, Thomas 1809, Christian 1810, Janet 1812, Berthea 1815, Adam 1817....end.... QUESTION Is this John Black married to Margaret Smellie related to Robert Black married to Jean Smellie?
Also something ofi observational interest I have found since researching my line of Smellie form Gartshore & Medrox, New Monkland , Lanark, Scotland to Quebec, Canada - These families may have immigrated from Scotland to Canada at the same time --- the Smellie, Black, Ross, Mack, and Waddells and Wardens & possibly other families . For examples - Jane Millar Smellie married Peter Black , 2nd husband James Ross: John Smellie married Margaret Mack, John Smellie married Margaret McLean, Maragret Martin Smellie married James Warden. ( all lived in Godmanchester, or in close proximity) to Huntingdon, Quebec - Canada.
Gary
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I have a Margaret Smellie b. May 13, 1771 (parents) John Smellie & Elizabeth Shanks married 1762, New Monklands, Lanark, Scotland ....Margaret was married to John Black b. Aug. 1, 1769 ...they were (married) July 1795 in New Monklands, Lanark, Scotland ...children Thomas 1796, Mary 1798, Margaret 1800, Margaret 1801 , John 1803, Helen 1805, Jean 1807, Thomas 1809, Christian 1810, Janet 1812, Berthea 1815, Adam 1817....end.... QUESTION Is this John Black married to Margaret Smellie related to Robert Black married to Jean Smellie?
I don't know. But their eldest son was Thomas and their second daughter was Margaret; and they didn't have a son Gavin and their daughter Janet was their 6th daughter; and Gavin Black and Janet Waddell didn't have a son John, or at least not a recorded one. So IF Robert was the son of Gavin B and Janet W, he is almost certainly not John's brother.
> Also something ofi observational interest I have found since researching my line of Smellie form > Gartshore & Medrox, New Monkland , Lanark, Scotland to Quebec, Canada - These families may > have immigrated from Scotland to Canada at the same time --- the Smellie, Black, Ross, Mack, > and Waddells and Wardens & possibly other families . [/quote]
Yes, I've noticed that.
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Hi Forfarian
I agree that Jean Smellie was born in 1764. I think Gary has different information. I have Robert Black born 1768. I believe Robert born 1766 must have died.
Robert Black married Jean Smellie in Aug. 1790. I have their children as follows:
1. Elisabeth, born 1791 in Hallcraig (O.P.R. Births 651/0020 0281)
2. Janet, born 1794 in Hallcraig
3. Gavin, born 1797 in Airdrie
4. Mary, born 1799 in Airdrie
5. John, born 1803 in Hallcraig
6. William, born 1806 in Hallcraig
7. Helen/Ellen, born c. 1813 in Lanarkshire, possibly Hallcraig as she is living there with her father Robert in 1841.
It appears you do not have the first daughter Elisabeth, and I do not have a son before Gavin to upset the naming pattern. Could you provide details of the first son you have for me to consider?
Alys
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Hi Forfarian
I agree that Jean Smellie was born in 1764. I think Gary has different information. I have Robert Black born 1768. I believe Robert born 1766 must have died.
Robert Black married Jean Smellie in Aug. 1790. I have their children as follows:
1. Elisabeth, born 1791 in Hallcraig (O.P.R. Births 651/0020 0281)
2. Janet, born 1794 in Hallcraig
3. Gavin, born 1797 in Airdrie
4. Mary, born 1799 in Airdrie
5. John, born 1803 in Hallcraig
6. William, born 1806 in Hallcraig
7. Helen/Ellen, born c. 1813 in Lanarkshire, possibly Hallcraig as she is living there with her father Robert in 1841.
It appears you do not have the first daughter Elisabeth, and I do not have a son before Gavin to upset the naming pattern. Could you provide details of the first son you have for me to consider?
I have them exactly as you have. First son Gavin, second daughter Janet could indicate that Robert's parents are Gavin and Janet, especially given that first daughter Elizabeth, second son John fits with John Smellie's parents John S and Elizabeth Shanks.
And yes, Robert Black b 1766 had a younger brother Robert b 1768.
And are you sure that Ellen in the 1841 census is Robert's daughter rather than the wife of his son William?
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I based the information about Helen on a death record for Helen Hastie in 1869, aged 56 years. Her parents are given as Robert Black and Jean Smillie. I don't have a wife for William but I can see that he might have married an Ellen.
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Ah, that does look convincing.
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Gary you say that Matthew Smellie was born in 1694. What proof do you have that that is the case? I have a birth record for 1681. He was still alive in November 1692 when His father Robert disponed land at North Medrox to Matthew and his brother Adam, with the consent of their brothers David and John. Matthew was Heir of Conquest in 1730 to his brother Adam. These records make me doubt that there was a second son called Matthew born in 1694, so if proof exists, I'd be happy to see it.
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I have found this info at Gartshore Family Surnames -pafg191-Generated by Personal Ancestry File (Page 1) "Matthew Smellie was born abt. 1695 in Medrox, New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland."
Another source - Roots Web.com (Lanark-l Archiver >LANARK> 2002-03> 1015968529
"Maththew Smellie b.1694 Medrox LNK. m. Jean Anderson b. 1698 New Monkland"
Also: Family Search TM Ancestral File v4.19
"Matthew Smellie b. abt 1694 PLACE. Of Medrox, Lanark, Scotland"
Also: IGI Individual Record Family Search Genealogical Index v 5.0
"Matthew Smylie birth. about 1694 ... spouse Jean Anderson married abt. 1719 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland.
I have found some errors on some recorded sites and I may stand corrected with this info I have found.
Hope this helps.
Gary
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For me it's a no-brainer: one primary source beats any number of guesses. It looks to me as if someone who had not seen the correct birth record subtracted 25 from the marriage date. It happens a lot. I am disappointed to see however, when this thread starts with the correct birth date, that the guess is still being perpetuated.
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Gavin Black and Janet Waddell didn't have a son John, or at least not a recorded one.
I have been corrected on that one. There was a John, born 1765. Don has sent me the details of this baptism.
However I still doubt that he is the John Black who married Margaret Smellie, because they named two sons Thomas and one John, and although they had seven daughters it was their 6th one who was named Janet, not their 2nd as you would expect if John was the son of Gavin Black and Janet Waddell.
As their first and third sons were both named Thomas, and their second daughter Margaret, could this John Black be the son of Thomas Black and Margaret Inglis, born 1769?
Also, none of the 7 daughters was named Elizabeth, which is odd if Margaret Smellie's mother was Elizabeth Shanks. What is the evidence for Margaret Smellie being the daughter of Elizabeth Shanks?
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I have found this info at Gartshore Family Surnames -pafg191-Generated by Personal Ancestry File (Page 1) "Matthew Smellie was born abt. 1695 in Medrox, New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland."
Rule No 1. Never believe anything you find on the internet. Use it as a guide to finding the original documents, and check them carefully.
Unfortunately, in part of the FamilySearch files, the LDS seem to have adopted a policy of assuming that a male was aged 25 and a female 21 on the date of their marriage or, if there was no other evidence for it, on the date of baptism of the first child. This has resulted in a plethora of guessed dates in the index, most of which dates can be disregarded. ANY date which is prefixed by 'abt' is a guess, and not to be relied on.
They also assume that people were born in the same place as their children, which isn't necessarily the case. An index entry which describes a person as 'of' somewhere is almost invariably a guess.
This is especially misleading in Scotland, because if you find an original document describing someone as 'of xxxx' this is a specific indication that the person owned xxxx. People who did not own the place where they lived are usually described as 'in xxxx' and people who were only temporarily there as 'at xxxx'. It's not 100% reliable, but it's more reliable than the LDS' guesswork.
Don't misunderstand me - FamilySearch is a fantastic tool, and an unparalleled finding aid, and I am more than grateful to the LDS for producing it and making it freely available. However it does have its quirks and limitations, and you need to be aware of these, and of the possible pitfalls.
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I'm with you all the way Forfarian about the IGI! I find the new FamilySearch website a more accurate tool but of course it is still an index.
I too have John Black and Margaret Ingles as the likely parents of the John Black who married Margaret Smellie.
Margaret Smilie was christened 19 May 1771, the daughter of John Smilie and Eliz. Shanks. The entry also adds "port? (for portioner?) of Ester medrox". OPR 651/0020
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Margaret Smilie was christened 19 May 1771, the daughter of John Smilie and Eliz. Shanks. The entry also adds "port? (for portioner?) of Ester medrox". OPR 651/0020
Indeed; but what is the evidence to say that it was this Margaret Smellie/Smilie who married John Black?
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Sasine RS42/70 gives Margaret Smellie, daughter of Elizabeth Shanks and the deceased John Smellie, as the spouse of John Black and Jean Smellie as the spouse of Robert Black.
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That's good enough! Wonder why they didn't name a daughter Elizabeth, then?
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Would anyone happen to have an older map outlining the farm area in Medrox, New Monkland, Lanark , Scotland that Matthew Smeliie married to Jean Anderson occupied about 1720. I believe they may have raised their children there. And also a map of the property location that Matthew Smellie inherited at Wester Gartshore when his brother Adam died about 1730. Would sincerly appreciate any assistance in locating these farm locations on an older map as well as a present day map.
Thank-You,
Gary
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Gary
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Have you tried http://maps.nls.uk/index.html ?
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I have the line of this branch of Smellie`s in Scotland until a John smellie married to Jane Miller (who died) and John remarried and left Scotland and immigrated to Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. His 2nd wife (name unknown) died on the voyage to Canada.
I am new to Rootschat and am interested in some of the posts I have seen regarding the Gartshore and Smellie families. My ancestors are Gartshores from New Monkland, Lanarkshire.
I hope I can add some info and perhaps gain some too. Helen Smellie b. 1783 to John Smellie and Elizabeth Shanks married Robert Gartshore, November 1813 in New Monkland. Robert was the eldest son of Alexander Gartshore and Marion Steel of New Monkland, and was the elder brother of my gg-grandfather, John Gartshore. I have information on their descendants if anyone is interested. A Lanark Sasine (No. 176 June 19th 1821) mentions John Smellie, Elizabeth Shanks and many of their children and spouses, including Helen Smellie and Robert Gartshore. Robert Gartshore and Helen emigrated to Ontario, Canada, as did John Gartshore.
BTW, I have noticed some online trees mention that Helen Smellie died 1881 in Scotland but with no source reference. I have a source (Cobourg Library, Ontario) showing that Helen Smellie Gartshore died 7 October 1866, aged 84, and is buried in Wooler Friends Cemetery, Brighton, Northumberland County, Ontario.
I am very curious about the mention of the John Smellie who was married to Jane Miller and later emigrated to Canada. Gary states that John married a second time and his wife, name unknown, died en route to Canada. This comment really got my attention! John Gartshore mentioned above emigrated to Ontario abt. 1833 with his sister (Janet Gartshore) and her husband, cited in a family history as named "Smiley". She died within site of land and was reportedly buried in Newfoundland. Janet Gartshore married John Smellie 12 January 1829 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
I have often wondered if Janet's husband was related to Hellen Smellie and also wondered where her widowed husband went when he arrived in Canada. Based upon what Gary has posted, it appears that Janet Gartshore, sister of my gg-grandfather, John Gartshore, was John Smellie's second wife. So, as I suspected, there appear to be two (at least) connections between the Gartshore and Smellie families.
I have a very large database on the Gartshore family and their connections going back to the 1600's and would be happy to share information. Right now, I'm glad to have found some info on the Smellie connections. :)
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I have John down as born at Maryburgh, New Monkland on 8 November 1810, and died in Glasgow on 19 August 1873. He married Margaret Moir, but I have failed to find a death record for her so far. Nor have I found anything else so far about this couple.
I've now been actively looking for this John Gartshore, but have failed to find him in the 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1871 census. All I can find is his death certificate.
There's a John M Gartshore, aged 30, in Gartshore House, Kirkintilloch, in the 1841 census. However a little additional research suggests that this is John Murray Gartshore of Gartshore, Dunbartonshire (1804-1884), born 11 October 1804 at Ochtertyre, Perthshire, second son of Sir Patrick Murray of Ochtertyre and Mary Hope, and married on 5 August 1836 at Corfu to Mary, youngest daughter of HE Major-General Sir Howard Douglas. They had at least one son, born 30 March 1844 in Edinburgh, and one daughter, born 1840/1. Mary died on 3 March 1851 in Hampshire, and on 29 June 1852, in Clapham, John Murray Gartshore married Augusta Louisa, daughter of the late George Frederick and Lady Augusta Tavel and widow of the Rev William C Purdon. John M Gartshore, 76, born Monzievaird, Perthshire and his wife Augusta L and daughter Mary were in Ravelston House, Edinburgh in 1881, and John Murray Gartshore of Ravelston died at Edinburgh on 22 June 1884.
Can anyone spot John Gartshore (1810-1873) with or without his wife Margaret Moir in any census?
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Forfarian,
You're reply regarding my post about the Gartshore, Smellie and Waddell families and our connection seems to have disappeared.
However, in response to your mentioning John Gartshore b. 1810 who died in Glasgow 1873 and married Margaret Moir - he was my gg-grandfather. He emigrated to Canada in 1833 and married Margaret Moir in Fergus, Ontario in 1836. He returned to Scotland in 1873 for his health and died there in 1873 and is buried in New Monkland Churchyard with his parents and other members of his family. His wife, Margaret Panton Moir, b. Aberdeen in June 1809, emigrated to Ontario with her family in 1835. John Gartshore and Margaret Moir lived in Dundas, Ontario and she died in Hamilton, Ontario, 2 September, 1899. That is why you cannot find them in the UK census. They lived in Ontario, Canada.
Perhaps we need to start a topic on the Gartshores. I have extensive information on them and connected families and copies of some original documents dating back to John Gartshore who married Elizabeth Wood in 1673. One of the documents is a marriage contract between James Mochrie and Mary Waddell from 1727, Mary being the daughter of Robert Waddell and Janet Thomson.
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You're reply regarding my post about the Gartshore, Smellie and Waddell families and our connection seems to have disappeared.
So it has. How very odd - wonder how that happened?
However, in response to your mentioning John Gartshore b. 1810 who died in Glasgow 1873 and married Margaret Moir - he was my gg-grandfather. He emigrated to Canada in 1833 and married Margaret Moir in Fergus, Ontario in 1836. He returned to Scotland in 1873 for his health and died there in 1873 and is buried in New Monkland Churchyard with his parents and other members of his family. His wife, Margaret Panton Moir, b. Aberdeen in June 1809, emigrated to Ontario with her family in 1835. John Gartshore and Margaret Moir lived in Dundas, Ontario and she died in Hamilton, Ontario, 2 September, 1899. That is why you cannot find them in the UK census. They lived in Ontario, Canada.
Ah, thank you.
Perhaps we need to start a topic on the Gartshores. I have extensive information on them and connected families and copies of some original documents dating back to John Gartshore who married Elizabeth Wood in 1673. One of the documents is a marriage contract between James Mochrie and Mary Waddell from 1727, Mary being the daughter of Robert Waddell and Janet Thomson.
I'd be very interested to see that marriage contract if it were possible. Once you have made one more post here I will be able to send you a personal message with my direct contact details.
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Gary,
You mentioned that John Smellie's wife, Jane Miller, died but did not specify when. She must have died during or shortly after childbirth in January 1822 since the entry on p. 21 in the parochial register (New Monkland film 1066600, item 4) for the baptism of their daughter, Jane, reads:
Jane Miller Smellie dau. of John Smellie farmer North Myvot & the deceased Jane Miller b. 4th bapt. 17 Jan. 1822.
You might find a reference to a mortcloth for Jane in the parish register.
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Posting this on behalf of Gary who had clicked on the wrong button and sent the message to me ;)
(You have to log into RootsChat and click on the reply button to send a message.)
Yes that is our correct email address ….
I look forward to any info that you may not have already made available. This site and people like yourself, have provided much interesting facts that make this family tree a very interesting story indeed. I sincerely appreciate your help and information. If there are any questions that you may have for me in regard to the Smellie Family , or other related families , please do not hesitate to ask.
Thanks again.
Best Regards,
Gary
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Does anyone know who were the parents of Jane/Jean Miller, first wife of John Smellie, who died in 1822?
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By any chance do you know what Clan he was attached to?
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I recently found out that he is my great great grandfather and would like to dig deeper about my family heritage, I’ve learned a lot from the previous msg on this thread thank you all so much!
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By any chance do you know what Clan he was attached to?
He is very unlikely to have been attached to any clan. Like most of the people discussed in this thread, he was a Lowlander. Historically speaking, clans were a social feature of the Highlands, and most Lowlanders were not members of any clan. It is an unfortunately widespread misconception that all Scots belong to a clan.
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I've posted elsewhere on the forum today about my Smellie Hamilton puzzle. I notice here Gartshore is also mentioned. Haddow Hamilton Todd and Salmon(d) are my line. Gartshore Boak and Smellie appear interwoven - Smellie appears to be tied up with Hamilton, and Gartshore and Boak are through my 3rd Gr grandfather Peter Salmond's second marriage to Jane Boak Aitken nee Gartshore. After Thomas Aitken died, Jane married Peter Salmond who had formerly been married to Janet Forsyth. One of Jane's daughters Elizabeth Aitken married Wiliam McIntyre and their daughter was Jane Gartshore McIntyre. When my 3rd gr grandfather Peter Salmon and his second wife Jane Boak Salmond nee Aitken nee Gartshore brought my orphaned gr grandmother Jessie Haddow to Australia in 1886, she met and married an Angus Scot, Donald Macdonald in 1888. Their firstborn was my grandmother Jane Gartshore Macdonald in 1889. I was always told by Grandma that her middle name was given to her because of the midwife who delivered her. I found that to be true on Grandma's Australian birth certificate. However it was only after a lot of other research trying to untangle the web Peter Salmond had woven, that I then discovered that his second wife Jane Boak Salmond was also of course, my grandma's step gr grandmother. Jane's other daughter - Jane Aitken had married a James Wilson Todd, but after his death, she went to live with her mother and Peter Salmond. When the family came to Australia in 1886, there were two Jane Salmonds. Peter Salmond's second wife Jane Gartshore Salmond, but also her daughter Jane Todd nee Aitken who married Peter's son Peter just before they came to Australia. What a tangled web. It was only when I discovered in census data ages had differed slightly for Peter's wife - and the name Janet had become Jane which I hadn't really concerned myself about, that I dug further and discovered Janet Salmond nee Forsyth had died and Janet hadn't become Jane - they were two different people. When Peter's young Peter Salmond and his wife Jane Salmond nee Todd nee Aitken came to Australia they had 4 children, one being jane Gartshore Salmond. Unfortunately all children died either within the first year of birth and the oldest Jane Garshore Salmond was only 4 when she died. Their mother Jane Salmond nee Todd nee Aitken also then died and by 1901 census in Coatbridge, the Salmond family were back in Coatbridge - no doubt deeply distressed after the loss of 4 children and their mother. My gr grandmother Jessie Haddow having married Donald Macdonald in 1888 stayed in Queensland, Australia and had 9 children between 1889 and 1904 - only losing 1. This won't help much with what you are all researching, but it seems to have been a small area and these names have intermingled quite a lot. If you see my other post and can help with Smellie and Hamilton it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
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Duplicate posts about these same people
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=592541.msg7580292#msg7580292
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=840444.msg7580193#msg7580193
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=884985.0