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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: GeorgeRP on Friday 13 April 12 10:01 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I need to contact the decendants of a Edwin Charles Purdie, born 1841 in Islington , Middlesex Engalnd. He married an Ann Baker.
One of his sons was Frank Sidney Purdie, born 1881, also in Islington.
I wish to pass on a family heirloom, [nothing of value, 'I don't think'] when I pass away, should it be verified that you are part of the family. I already know of a family member who lives here in Australia, but would prefer to give everyone an equal chance to secure a precious memory of my stepfather.
Regards
George
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Was Edwin a Silversmith & Frank a Goldsmith. Are we looking for the right family?
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
I'm sorry, but I don't know the occupations of either Edwin or Frank.
However, Frank's two sons recieved University degrees, Frank must have had some money to put them through a higher education. Money was short those days I would think.
Regards
George
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Hi Jennifer,
I'm sorry, but I don't know the occupations of either Edwin or Frank.
However, Frank's two sons recieved University degrees, Frank must have had some money to put them through a higher education. Money was short those days I would think.
Regards
George
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Yes I had the right family.
Edwin & Ann had a total of 13 children I have only found 8
It seems that is all that survived.
Ernest William c.1865 Clerkenwell
Albert H c.1870 Shoreditch
Percy Wilfred c.1874
Walter Clement c.1876 Shoreditch
Cecil Bernard c.1880 Islington
Frank Sidney c.1881 Islington
Stanley Ralph c.1883 Southgate
Edith Frances c.1885 Shoreditch
Ethel seems to have been the one with money-
Ethel Ayres Purdie died 26/3/1923 at Covent Garden Underground Railway Station she left £4518.8.5d.
Frank died 29/1/1936 Battersea General Hospital, it looks like he remarried as he left £85.1.4d to Muriel Edith Purdie widow.
Looks like you could ask for a newspaper look up on Ethel's death?
I can only find two boys for Frank- Harold Philip Sydney Ayres Purdie - looks like he went to Australia
Desmond Tremeer Purdie died 1975 can not find any children although he did marry?
Frank married Ethel Matilda Ayres 16/6/1897 St.George Bloomsbury.
Jennifer
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Edwin Charles Purdie died 6/3/1920 he left £279 to his daughter Edith Frances Purdie spinster.
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
Thankyou for the information.
Harold Phillip Sydney Ayres Purdie was my father, [by adoption], he supposedly had three wives.
1. Winifred Elizabeth Gough 1902-1927 Would like to know if there were children.
2. Ivy Reeves - Married 1929 Once again - Any children. Did she die???
3. Hilda Beatrice Gardner b; circa 1910 1915 in Kent England, died 1985 Cairns North Queensland Australia.
Harold's Death Certificate states that he and Hilda married in a place called Bellam England. Never heard of the place. They arrived in Sydney Australia aboard the "Aorangi", in 1938.I've always wondered why he never went to war.
Desmond, his brother married a Margaret Winifred Johnson. Do not know if there were any children.
Harold was an Electrical Engineer, Desmond a Chemist.
***Please excuse mistake, Hilda's Surname is Gardiner not Gardner.*** They supposedly married 1937.
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Hi Jennifer,
For those that are following this post, Ethel Matilda Ayres, [Frank Purdie's wife], parents were,
Henry William Ayres & Margaret Eleanor Tremmer.
Regards
George
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Have changed children to 8 known, I forgot to add Frank!
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
How did you find the will of Frank Purdie.
George
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Hi Jennifer,
Thankyou for the information.
Harold Phillip Sydney Ayres Purdie was my father, [by adoption], he supposedly had three wives.
1. Winifred Elizabeth Gough 1902-1927 Would like to know if there were children.
2. Ivy Reeves - Married 1929 Once again - Any children. Did she die???
3. Hilda Beatrice Gardner b; circa 1910 1915 in Kent England, died 1985 Cairns North Queensland Australia.
Harold's Death Certificate states that he and Hilda married in a place called Bellam England. Never heard of the place. They arrived in Sydney Australia aboard the "Aorangi", in 1938.I've always wondered why he never went to war.
Desmond, his brother married a Margaret Winifred Johnson. Do not know if there were any children.
Harold was an Electrical Engineer, Desmond a Chemist.
***Please excuse mistake, Hilda's Surname is Gardiner not Gardner.*** They supposedly married 1937.
Ypu can check to see if these people had children,by using http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
After 1912 the mothers maiden name was used on all births,so that will narrow things down for you.
Will indexes up to 1941 are on Ancestry under the National Probate Calendar.
You would need to contact the National Probate Registry at York to get a copy of the actual will,costs £6.
Carol
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Harold Ayres Purdie and Ivy Purdie appear on the London electoral rolls from 1932- 1939 at 114 Alderney Street SW1
In 1926 and 27 he is at 119 St Thomas's Road Islington on his own.
His first wife Winifred died really young.
Deaths Dec 1927
Winifred E Purdie age 25 London C. 1c 33
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Frank married Muriel Edith Hill Mar qtr 1925.
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
I stumbled across this post while doing some research on my family tree and have found some of your research very helpful - thanks! I thought you may be interested to know about Percy Wilfred Purdie who was my great grandfather. Percy was a chemist and married Florence Jessie Price. As far as I am aware they had no children. In the 1901 Census they were living together but then sometime after Percy ran off with Florence's younger sister May Adelaide Price and moved to Australia. We think they arrived in 1905 but as yet I have not found any official records of their marriage. My grandmother Maisie Ena Purdie was born in Australia in 1911. Her birth certificate indicates her parents marriage was in 1905 but this is probably what they were able to tell the registry officer. The story my grandmother always heard was that they eloped which is very romantic (but she didn't know of his previous marriage).
I would love to know of any descendants who may know something of the story of their elopement.
Michaela
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Last time I can find Percy on the electoral roll was 1902.
Jennifer
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Thanks Jennifer! That is helpful!
Michaela
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Have found out a bit more-
Electoral Rolls-
1927 Harold was at 119 St.Thomas Road Highbury at 117 was a Leonard Adolph & Lizzie Gough
1932-1939 he is listed at 114 Alderney Street SW1 Westminster with Ivy
1937 & 1938 at the same time he is listed at 58 Cheriton Square Balham with Hilda Gardiner at the same address.
So did he live a double life for two years or did Ivy keep putting him down hoping he would return?
Winifred Gough married Sept qtr 1924 Hackney died Dec qtr 1927 London City aged 25 born c. 1902
Married Ivy Reeves Mar qtr 1929 Islington. Possible on census born 1893?
Possible family for Hilda?
William James Gardiner & Ada nee Lee born Kent
Children Walter 1895, Maud 1897, Ada 1899 Dorothy 1901, Beatrice 1903 Hilda 1906 Gravesend Kent?
Could marriage be Balham & not Bellam? Have not actually found a marriage!
Harold bapt. 3/2/1901 All Souls Harlesden parents Frank & Ethel Matilda 3 Sellons Avenue Commercial Traveller
Jennifer
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Leonard & Phoebe (Lizzie) Gough were Winifred's parents she was born Chapel en Frith Derbyshire 1902
Jennifer
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Possible 2 children for Harold & Ivy 1 died same qtr as birth 1930.
Jennifer
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Florence Jessie did not have any children with Percy. She went on to have her own dairy business in Wimbledon and died in 1955 aged 81 leaving £9522.1.4d in her will.
Jennifer
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Just to tidy things up a little:
1 - Frank Sidney Purdie was born in 1871 (registered Shoreditcch RD, Dec qtr), not 1881.
2 - It is correct that Edwin and Ann had 13 children. By the 1911 census only 7 were still living. Of the 8 previously recorded here, the eldest (Ernest William) died in 1891. The other 5 deceased were all very young:
Herbert George - 1867-1870
Augustus James - 1868-1870 (these two deaths recorded on the same index page, so presumably died together)
Constance Emeline Maria Annie - 1879-1880
Winifred Adeline - Mar 1882-Dec 1882
Edwin Thomas - 1863-1865.
My first wife was indirectly related, via Edwin Charles' sister Emma Maria, so I have researched quite a lot of the family.
Edwin was a well respected silversmith. His work still crops up regularly at auctions.
The firm of Purdie Dished Ends Ltd (http://www.purdie.co.uk) who used to be industrial silver finishers, but have now branched out to a wider range of metalwork. was started by Edwin's nephew Edward John Purdie in 1918. Sadly there are no longer Purdies involved in that business.
I've only been able to get the Purdie line back to James (1764-1814), though there is a baptism for a James (father: Robert) in 1760 that might be him. It has been suggested the origins may be Huguenot ("Perdue"), but I've seen no firm evidence of this.
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I have just noticed this post. It is my first time on the site and would like to say that I am the granddaughter of Stanley Ralph Purdie. He was my mother's father - she was Frances Winifred Purdie. Her mother died in childbirth and she was brought up by Stanley's sister Edith Frances, my greataunt, who never married herself. Both Stanley and Edith lived in our family home while I was growing up. I have a Purdie silver bowl as my father used to look out for Purdie pieces to buy for my mother. Don't know if this helps anyone filling in a tree. I have just started to look into my mother's lineage, she having traced my father's line back to the 1500s.
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Hi Jenny
Welcome to Roostchat ;D
George, the original poster, hasn't been online here for a week or so but should receive emails notifications that we have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Hi Jenny,
It was great to read of your connection to the family when I checked my email this morning. My Grandmother is the daughter and my mother the Granddaughter of Percy Wilfred Purdie. We know very little other information about the family as Percy and his second wife (though I have not yet found a record of their marriage) May Adelaide Price eloped (so my Grandmother said) to Australia. May was the sister of Percy's first wife but my Grandmother didn't ever know that story - we have discovered this in our family history search. My Grandmother had no siblings and my mother had no relatives so we have spent some time trying to make connections and discover relatives. We would love to know more about the family. I would be interested in hearing more from you if you would like to share some of your knowledge of the family history.
Thanks,
Michaela
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Hi Michaela
I guess tht makes me your mother's cousin, doesn't it? There's not much I know about the family. As I said, Stanley Ralph's wife - Ann - died giving birth to my mother Frances Winifred in 1915 during the Blitz. Although she died as a result of the birth and nothing to do with the war, maybe it didn't help to give birth in an air raid. Sadly, the story goes that Stanley was so distraught to have lost his wife that he showed little interest in his new baby and she was given to his sister Edith Frances to bring up. She was a spinster who had lost her fiance to TB and looked after their parents - Edwin and his wife - until their deaths as so many unmarried girls did at that time. I think it was quite difficult for her and I know she and Mum shared the same bed until Mum left home to marry my Dad when she was 30.
It is said that Stanley was supposed to have registered his daughter as Winifred Frances but got muddled at the registry office and turned the names round. So the Purdie side of the family always called her Winnie and the rest of the world called her Frances.
Great Aunt Edith, or Auntie as she was always known, came to live with my parents when they married in 1946 as she had been effectively a mother to my mother and Mum was always very grateful.
Grandpa - Stanley - came to live with us a bit later - I am talking about the early 1950s. He lived with us until about 1958 when he "ran away" to live with a divorced lady in Birmingham in his mid to late 70s!! They seem to have been fond of the ladies, he and his brothers. He died in Birmingham somewhat estranged from my mother as she had never really been close to him because of their early rupture.
Auntie and Grandpa never talked about brothers or sisters and I know that Edith was rather disapproving of Stanley and always said his mother would have been disappointed in him.
What else can I tell you? Stanley had been an optician in the Ipswich area which is where my Mum was born.
Now, looking at the list of siblings, I see there is a Cecil - a couple of years older. I remember an Auntie Gertie who was married to a Cecil and she belongs on my mother's side of the family. I remember her from childhood and looking at her wedding picture, her husband looks like a Purdie man, short and stocky with glasses. So I think it is likely that Cecil married Gertrude - but I also remember a story that she was his housekeeper and became his second wife. Not sure of this though.
I have some family photos if you would be interested.
Best wishes
Jenny
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Hi Nigelo
A little late to the party but I was alerted to this thread by a friend and thought I'd jump in.
My name is John Campbell Purdie. My great grandfather, Edward John Purdie was Edwin's nephew. Although I don't have a daily role in E J Purdie & Son Ltd I am still very much involved. I worked out of our Lancaster Road EN4 8 AP site for almost 20 years.
I too have heard of the Hugenot link and at some point should live to know more.
I'll be reading through this thread later next week. Just to add I still own a couple of my great grandfather's apprentice pieces: a coffee and a tea pot.
Looking forward to making contact with anyone with a similar interest.
Best
John Purdie
Just to tidy things up a little:
1 - Frank Sidney Purdie was born in 1871 (registered Shoreditcch RD, Dec qtr), not 1881.
2 - It is correct that Edwin and Ann had 13 children. By the 1911 census only 7 were still living. Of the 8 previously recorded here, the eldest (Ernest William) died in 1891. The other 5 deceased were all very young:
Herbert George - 1867-1870
Augustus James - 1868-1870 (these two deaths recorded on the same index page, so presumably died together)
Constance Emeline Maria Annie - 1879-1880
Winifred Adeline - Mar 1882-Dec 1882
Edwin Thomas - 1863-1865.
My first wife was indirectly related, via Edwin Charles' sister Emma Maria, so I have researched quite a lot of the family.
Edwin was a well respected silversmith. His work still crops up regularly at auctions.
The firm of Purdie Dished Ends Ltd (http://www.purdie.co.uk) who used to be industrial silver finishers, but have now branched out to a wider range of metalwork. was started by Edwin's nephew Edward John Purdie in 1918. Sadly there are no longer Purdies involved in that business.
I've only been able to get the Purdie line back to James (1764-1814), though there is a baptism for a James (father: Robert) in 1760 that might be him. It has been suggested the origins may be Huguenot ("Perdue"), but I've seen no firm evidence of this.
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Hi John
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
George, who started this topic, was online a couple of days ago, Nigel was online here a couple of months back, but all the contributors should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn
Hi John
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
George, who started this topic, was online a couple of days ago, Nigel was online here a couple of months back, but all the contributors should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Hi Nigelo
A little late to the party but I was alerted to this thread by a friend and thought I'd jump in.
My name is John Campbell Purdie. My great grandfather, Edward John Purdie was Edwin's nephew. Although I don't have a daily role in E J Purdie & Son Ltd I am still very much involved. I worked out of our Lancaster Road EN4 8 AP site for almost 20 years.
Hello John. Nice to hear from you. I was actually in touch with your father, Jack, about 8 years ago.
You are welcome to look at my family site (www.our-families.info). you can contact me from there too.
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Hi All,
This is George, and yes I am still around but I do not get any notification's from RootsChat.
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Hi Nigelo and George
I'm at a conference all next week so I will get back to you and start filling in some gaps from my end w/c 21st March.
My father, Jack Purdie died August 2010.
I should clarify that E J Purdie & Son Ltd is still a family business owned by myself. Although I don't have a daily role I am actively involved in long term strategy. I'll explain more later.
Looking forward to making your acquaintances.
Best
John Purdie
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Hi George
I checked your profile and your notifications are set to 'Instantly but only for the first reply"
You can change that to 'instantly' so you get a notification for every reply to topics you have contributed to.
If you get inundated there are other options