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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: cma on Thursday 12 April 12 07:27 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm hoping to (hopefully) pinpoint where my ggg grandparents were buried before we arrive there in June this year. I know they were living in Lugtrout Lane, Solihull (thank you again Rambler :) ) & below is the details of the death registrations:
Sept.1845/Meriden/16/247.
Meriden was the Reg.Dist. for Hampton.
& there's this Burial for an Ann Arnold:
16/9/1837/Solihull,no age given.
I realise Birmingham is a very large area but would there be a more likely cemetery for the Solihull area & do they have online records over there?
cheers,
Carleen
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sorry - should learn to read before I post...
the first registration is for Richard Arnold & the second for his wife Ann (Wall)
carleen
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St.Alphege's is the Parish Church of Solihull,Lugtrout Lane is just up the road about a mile or so.Solihull isn't in B'ham.
The NBI has an Anne Arnold buried at St.Alphege's,Sept. 16th. 1837,she was aged 50,is this your Anne?
Ancestry gives Lugtrout Lane as an address so I guess it must be.
Richard is also there buried on July 18th. 1845 again Lugtrout Lane aged 64.
Are you aware of the Richard Arnold Christening in Solihull 1780?
The parents were of Yardley Parish at the time,later listed as paupers...sorry about that.
jim
Edit:
I've emailed the Parish Warden re. plot numbers.
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yes this is them Jim...
I knew the address was Lugtrout Lane & that St Alphege's was the christening place for my gg grandfather, John Arnold, but don't think I knew Richard was also christened in Solihull. Where did you dig that one up?
When you say: "The parents were of Yardley Parish at the time,later listed as paupers...sorry about that." do you mean Richard's parents? Were their names available or do you know where I could find this information?
I didn't realise there would be a cemetery at St Alphege's or would have made the connection. Thank you so much for placing another piece of the puzzle :) I've been in touch with the Parish regarding any details they may have had about christenings, weddings etc - nothing on record apart from what I had already found through ancestry. Of course I didn't ask about burial details!
thank you so much for the info you've found!
carleen
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Richards parents were Richard & Elizabeth Arnold of the Parish of Yardley.Solihull at this time consisted of 7 Parishes.Yardley has it's own Church St.Edburgha's at least as old as St. Elphege's & is now a grade 1 listed building.
I don't know what it is about this Church as I have many family members who lived there at this time who all elected to marry in B'ham.Richard & Elizabeth Arnold may be buried there as they are not at St. Elphege's.
Richard Jr. had 6 siblings if you want them or you can find them yourself if you prefer on Ancestry.
I've had a reply from St.Alphege's Parish Warden & I've given him the names as he's going to try & find their plots.
If they exist I can go up there & get some photos as I only live a couple of miles away.
By the way if your John is the one born 1816 then they were living in Olton End at the time.
jim
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Unfortunately, the majority of gravestones in St Alphege's churchyard have been removed. I have family members buried there but, like them, their stones are no more.
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hi Jim - I would love the names of Richard's siblings if you have them handy. I'll look them up myself as well but i'm not great at this research & always seem to miss things! thank you for making contact with the Parish Warden - photos would be brilliant but please don't make a special trip just for that. We are coming over from Australia in July & driving to Solihull to visit St Alpheges on our way up to Scotland & having plot numbers is far more than I had hoped for. I think it will be quite eerie to visit sites where I know my ancestors lived & worked so long ago, even though I'm sure it will all be quite different now to then :) That would be my John by the way - 26th Aug 1816 was the baptism date - where is Olton End?
PFG - what a shame about the gravestones! it's no different over here though & the burials are more recent than Richard & Ann's!
thank you once again -
carleen
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Children of Richard & Elizabeth Arnold:
Esther/ch.29/7/1778
Richard/ch.21/4/1780
Elizabeth/ch.28/1/1784
Mary/ch.27/12/1785
Edward & William/ch.28/3/1788 ( it doesn't say they were twins)
Hannah/ch.30/3/1792 (listed as a pauper family)
All of the others except for Esther have an asterix next to their names as do one or two others on the page which probably means they were paupers at that time as well.
All listed as from Yardley Parish.
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yay! my research must be getting better! I had them all except Esther but hadn't picked up on the asterisks. I hope you didn't spend as long as I did finding them all though or I will feel very guilty about asking you to do the looking... I had to go through individual baptism records for Richard & Elizabeth as parents, looking for Solihull records first then a note about Yardley Parish - please tell me there's an easier way?
I cannot thank you enough for all your work - you should do this for a living!
Carleen
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There's a couple of ways,IGI pilot is quicker but then you need to get the extra info from the images which you can get from Ancestry by doing it the way you have.Sometimes Ancestry hasn't got all the names so you then need to search by date instead of name.Then you can move on to the NBI & see if there are any deaths listed based on those dates.
It doesn't take long.
jim
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If Jim isn't able to go to St Alpheges Church I would be able to take photographs for you, it is only a 10 minute walk from me. It is a lovely little church (I used to ring the bells when I was little). I believe the headstones that were taken out were moved to another Solihullian Cemetery but I may have got this wrong. There have been people buried in the St Alphege grounds in the years 2000-2010 so I don't know why they would take out headstones. It is a small plot of land though so this could unfortunately be the reason.
Good luck with your searches and let me know if you need any help!
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thank you for that offer ellie - i'll certainly let you know. Interesting about removing the headstones - hopefully the church warden would know where they were removed to. I'll wait for his reply to Jim regarding plot numbers before I start bugging him about the same people again :) I hope they have been moved somewhere because it just seems so sad to lose all that heritage.
We have a local, very old (for Aus!) cemetery nearby where a number of my family are buried. Apparently, some years ago, when the cemetery (St Stephens in Camperdown, NSW) was still very large, it became overgrown & a danger spot for the locals so the cemetery area was reduced significantly and now just surrounds the church itself. The surviving headstones outside the new boundary were removed & placed around the inside of the walls, but unfortunately many many of them were damaged either in the moving or by being incorrectly attached to the new stone walls.
carleen
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Haven't had a reply yet so I've sent him another email.I know they're busy organising some events to mark the 1000th. anniversary of St.Elphege.We'll see what happens.
jim
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thanks again Jim - we can only wait & hope. on a slightly different note, I've just noticed your spelling of St Elphege with the E rather than an A... is there a reason for this?
carleen
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I've just noticed your spelling of St Elphege with the E rather than an A... is there a reason for this?
Can't spell.
jim
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;D ;D
i thought maybe the name had been changed or modernised for some reason!!
carleen
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Had this today.
Initial investigation has not turned up any record of these graves. However, I have passed your information to our Verger who will have a further look while I’m away (in Australia funnily enough) for the next 4 weeks.
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it was a long shot after all this time Jim - thank you & I'll still be visiting St Alphege's anyway.
carleen