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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: kerry1212 on Wednesday 11 April 12 20:21 BST (UK)
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hi all i am looking for the family of a james brinkley b1877 in hertfordshire, he is with elizabeth kingham and they are on 1911 census with children in a caravan in staines any help would be great x
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Hi this looks to be him with his parents in 1881:-
Valentine Brinkley 55 occ Traveller (Hawker) b Potton, Beds
Sarah 55 b Redbourn, Herts
Henry 3 Grandson Not shown
Valentine 35 occ Traveller b Burnham Green
Rhoda 35 b Oxford
James 4 b Not known
Valentine 2 b Not known
Edward 0 b Not known
Residing Caravan in The Cuffley Road, Northaw, Herts
Census Ref RG11/1427/87/29
Keyboard86
Living in a Cart in Cuffley roadside, alongside the above is:-
Joseph Brinkley 20 occ Traveller b Hertford
Nelly Wife 19 b Redbourne, Herts
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yes thanks for that keyboard can you look for a death has some are saying 1907 but that can't be him as he is alive in 1911 thanks
kerry
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Hi
This is him being christened in London:
James Brinkley, son of Valentine Brinkley and Rhoda, private baptism on 8 April 1879 at St Paul, Edmonton, Enfield, London. Father's occupation is given as a wirework maker
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yes thanks for that keyboard can you look for a death has some are saying 1907 but that can't be him as he is alive in 1911 thanks
kerry
there is a death in Greenwich in 1915 that could be him, aged 37, that just about sits with a 1877/78 birth.
only way to find out would be the certificate (Greenwich, December Quarter 1915, 1d 1263)
edited : the register of deaths for Greenwich gives him dying on 7th October, he was married and a "Dealer", living at 28 Tamerton (?) Road, St Nicholas. Doesn't give a cause of death or where he was buried.
If he was a hawker in 1911, a dealer could be interchangeable for that occupation, I suppose.
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Looks like this is him in 1891
Caravan Walpole Rd Woodford Essex
Christopher Smith Head M 56 Chair caner Digswell Herts
Rhoda wife 43 Witchfield? Warwicks
Edward son 11
James son 13
James nme has been amended to Brinkley on An*****y
RG12 1359 39 19
Suz
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It seems he married Elizabeth Kingham in June Quarter 1913 in Greenwich, so that 1915 death could well be him if they stayed in Greenwich area.
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Register of Deaths Greenwich Union Infirmary
7 Oct 1915
James Brinkley 37 married occ Dealer usual residence 28 Lamerton St St Nicholas
Suz
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thank you all so much ;D
kerry
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right well this is the problem on james's marriage cert it says his fathers name was james, apparently his name was james but changed it to valentine? any ideas
kerry
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Who were witnesses at the marriage and what is father's occupation??
How do you know father had changed name to Valentine?
Suz
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it's what we have been told, but they are saying the james brinkley who's father was valentine died in 1907 not 1915?
kerry
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you need certificate/ census entries / BMD's to back this information up - without a source citation information is not reliable
so do you have marriage cert??
Suz
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yes suz i do and witnesses are anne webber and marsha/martha E goodall
kerry
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james's father is stated as being james and he was a costermonger?
kerry
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Hi Kerry,
I've only just seen your post about James Brinkley.
My daughter in law is a Brinkley and I'm researching her family and also have James in my tree.
I have a baptism for James in April 1879 in Whinchmore Hill, Middlesex. Father's name Valentine Brinkley, a wireworker maker, Mother Rhoda Brinkley. I know somewhere in my notes I have Rhoda as Rhoda Smith, she married Christopher Smith at some point.
I'm only guessing and will try to find out but I'm wondering if James did die in 1907 in Edmonton Middx as my Brinkley's were in the Herts Middx areas. There was a James Brinkley who died in Greenwich in 1915, wondering which is 'ours'. Did you find out anymore information after these posts in April?
Sue
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no sue nothing ::)
kerry
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Hi Kerry,
I've only just seen your post about James Brinkley.
My daughter in law is a Brinkley and I'm researching her family and also have James in my tree.
I have a baptism for James in April 1879 in Whinchmore Hill, Middlesex. Father's name Valentine Brinkley, a wireworker maker, Mother Rhoda Brinkley. I know somewhere in my notes I have Rhoda as Rhoda Smith, she married Christopher Smith at some point.
I'm only guessing and will try to find out but I'm wondering if James did die in 1907 in Edmonton Middx as my Brinkley's were in the Herts Middx areas. There was a James Brinkley who died in Greenwich in 1915, wondering which is 'ours'. Did you find out anymore information after these posts in April?
Sue
Just want to say that James Brinkley who married Elizabeth Kingham was Rhoda and Valentines son. I always doubted this, but now through dna I match at least a couple of James and Elizabeths descendants who both have been on rootschat travellers forum. I come from Rhoda and Theophilus Scarrotts daughter Counseletta who partnered Walter Brinkley, nephew of Valentine who Rhoda had children with. Can only assume that either James gave wrong name for father or clerk put down wrong name.
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Think my Charles Brinkley , traveller in The Folly Caravan census 1881 . Hertfordshire is connected to this family . Early days in my research . Any help welcome . Fred .
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Your Charles is my 1st cousin 4x removed. He is son of Jonathan Brinkley and Aquila Smith. Charles partner was Siberetta Welch daughter of James Welch and Providance (Vidance) Smith. Siberetta died in 1887 age 35 of Septicaemia. Charles then went on to marry Mary Ann Donnell nee Stimpson in 1898. His father Jonathan is son of Robert Brinkley and Elizabeth Tunstill and brother to my 3x gt grandfather William Brinkley who married Ann Shaw. Jonathan died in 1867 in Edmonton of cancer, a travelling hawker and wireworker of Weston, present at death was an Isiah Smith.
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Thank you Smiley . I have just started on this for my second cousin so you have added meat to the bones . Do you know where the family originated from . My second cousin was always told there was a family that were travellers and I think we have started to get her tree sorted . Thank you . Fred .
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Originally Hertfordshire in the 1700s, the travelling Brinkleys that is. One of Robert and Elizabeths sons went to East Anglia and the travelling Brinkleys there come from him. My lot started in Herts and ended in Edmonton. My 3x gt grandfather William Brinkley was bapt in 1805 Knebworth, Herts, with his future wifes sister Mary Shaw, so shows there was a connection to the Shaws prior to their marriage in 1828 Hitchin Herts. I think the Brinkleys may have been called something else before they were Brinkleys.