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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: greenday235 on Sunday 08 April 12 09:48 BST (UK)
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Still looking to try and trace my great great great grandfather David Davies, born around 1802 in Lampeter Velfrey/Llandewi Velfrey
(He gave his place of birth as Lampeter Velfrey on one census, and Llandewi on another) married Rebecca Williams from Little Newcastle. Their eldest son Thomas was born in Pembrokeshire around 1829. david was an agricultural labourer and most likely non conformist. The family had another sons in Pembrokeshire, John . They moved to Swansea around 1842. I cannot find any trace of the family in Pembrokeshire despite contacting the Pembrokeshire records archivist Marie Lewis. She believes my only chance is to contact the NLW, as there could be some remaining Bishops Transcripts for Lampeter Velfrey for 1803-1881. Also i have been advised to contact Carmel Chapel in Lampeter Velfrey and Bethel Chapel in Llandewi. Does anyone know if these chapels are still in use? and if so is it possible rthey would have any records.
regards,
Rob.
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There appears to be some confusion here. As far as I am aware Non-conformist baptism and burial register copies never went to the Bishop, mrge was of course still in established church upto 1837. So there are and never where any B.T.'s for N-C.
Lampeter Velfrey parish registers are held at the Record Office to my knowledge they cover from at least 1679 upto at least 1837 for mrge’s, I am aware of baptism for Lampeter Velfrey upto at least 1899.
The problem being is that if Lampeter Velfry parish registers don't exist at the R.O. and only in B.T.'s at the NLoW, then what have I been searching all these years ???
The two chapels you mention I am pretty sure are still in use, check GENUKI for known available registers, but which circuit where they in.
Just to muddy the water if you are looking north of the County I would take a long serious look at Brynberian Chapel, this has been going since the 1600’s and has a huge burial ground, I know I’ve walked it more than once.
Looking at Llandewi Velfry, do not overlook Bryn Sion Chapel, (yes I have walked this also), however this chapel may be “young”.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Hello Rob
While at PRO recently i enquired about Non Conformist PRs.The ones i wanted to look at are all in London ???
But take a look at the National Library Of Wales web site, it seems what Records are available ,they have on Fiche/Film.
If you are not familiar with their web site,at the top click Family History,a new page comes up,to the left,click on Genealogical Soucres at NLW,then Non Conformist.
Hope this will give you ideas of where to look.
Regarding Llanddewi Velfrey Anglican Parish Records at PRO,i have personally looked through them & luckily found what i needed.
Kind Regards
omega
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I find myself well at odds with other posting on this thread, however I am more than willing to bow to others far greater knowledge and experience than my humble capabilities on the non-conformist of Pembrokeshire.
I presume your research is centred on the marriage of David Davies of Letterson who mrd Rebecca Williams at Little Newcastle 26 May 1829, mind I have also found ;
David Davies of Lampeter Velfrey who mrd Mary Rees at Llandewi Velfrey 13 May 1823. I can establish no burial of a Mary 'Davies' pre 1829 to suggest David marrying twice, so the later looks best ignored.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Thankyou both Oriel and Omega for your help and advice, Oriel you are correct in that the marriage of David Davies to Rebecca Williams took place at Little Newcastle 26th May 1829, although there was a marriage of a David David? to a Rebecca Williams in 1818 at Letterston Church, but David's occupation is given as a carpenter. I know from what records i have that David was a agricultural labourer so the former looks more likely. also their first son Thomas is shown on the census as being born in Pembroke around 1828/29. I visited Lampeter Velfrey last year and was unable to find Carmel although i did find Bryn Seion. I will try again in the summer. also i will take your advice Omega. ;)
regards,
Rob.
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Hello Rob :)
I`m just thankful i have a couple of lines who were Anglican.
I shall take myself off the the NLW in September & hopefully will find at least some of my Non Conformist Ancestors.The Staff are very helpful.
Good Luck with your research.
Kind Regards
omega ;)
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Thanks again Omega, Unfortunately all my fathers family are NC and it has been a nightmare trying to trace them back. I have done really really well in tracing David Davies back to 1802 in Llanddewi/ Lampeter velfrey, but i have hit a brick wall. I will try to plan a visit to NLW to try to find out more about him but i do believe it is probably the end of the road. I am disabled and will have to make arrangements to visit.
I just wish my ancestors were like you see on "who do you think you are". no such luck haha.
kind regards,
Rob.
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Hello Rob
I my memory serves me right,i`m sure they have Ramps to the Main Doors & Lifts at the NLW.
Its my Father`s side who are Welsh & with the Non Conformist lot got back to the same time as you.
If it had`nt been for my Gran (died 1954) leaving a piece of paper with births of her Aunts & Uncles etc in a Bible,i would`nt have got very far,Bless Her.
Its not how far back i can get but who were 2xGreatgrandparents Mum & Dad & did they have siblings etc.
Yes,WDYTYA do make it look easy,we could do with a Tardis :D
Kind Regards
omega
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Hi Rob,
"I visited Lampeter Velfrey last year and was unable to find Carmel although i did find Bryn Seion. I will try again in the summer.
It is Carvan Chapel and is near Tavernspite, on the back road to Whitland. Turn right at the top of Tavernspite towards Whitland, and the narrow, winding road brings you to a crossroads. Carvan Chapel is on this crossroads.There is a photograph on Geograph http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1001950.(grid ref SN1714)
It says on GENUKI for Carvan and Bethel chapels to see Henllan Chapel records.
Regards,
Rhosgoch
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Thanks for the photo Rhosgoch, I looked at Genuki and as you say Carvan and Bethel chapels see Henllan Chapel records?
does this mean that they were once part of Henllan or is there another chapel Henllan? excuse my ignorance bit it's confusing. ???
I have the 1851 1861 and 1871 Census records for David Davies, the only ones i could find him and the family in. In 1851 he gives his place of birth as Carmarthen. In 1861 he gives his place of birth as Lampeter Pembrokeshire, (I assume it has to be Lampeter Velfrey?) and in the 1871 census it is Llandewi Pembrokeshire. (again i presume Llandewi Velfrey?). Seems David was unsure where he came from? add to this he was born 1802-03, and non conformist and me thinks it's a needle in a haystack. Guess a last throw of the dice and a planned visit to the NLW is in order.
many thanks to all for your help. :)
Rob.
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Hi Rob,
Carvan and Bethel Chapels were daughter chapels of Henllan Amgoed Chapel, one of the earliest Independent Chapels in the area. As such their records would come under the name of the mother chapel, Henllan.
I think Bethel, Llanddewi was too late for you, being established in 1849. Carvan was established in 1804. Henllan records are on FreeReg, although I couldn't find a suitable David Davies.
He might have been baptised in Church, and converted later, so a look at the Lampeter and LLanddewi parish records might be worthwhile. I note that in the 1851 census he gives his DoB as 1805.
The Bishops Transcripts are on Family Search. Lampeter batch number C081741, Llanddewi batch no C081171. Remember they are indexed by the father's first name, so search using the first name David, and check the father's surname.
Regards,
Rhosgoch