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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: debbie b on Saturday 07 April 12 19:03 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Does anyone have access to the 1900 and/or 1910 us census records - Massachusettes probably.
I am trying to find the following:
Harry Cowes (Born 1895) Pontefract Yorkshire
William Cowes (Born 1889) Don't know where - I have his DOB from his WW1 enlistment record
Amy Cowes (Born 1885-1895) again, no birth located in the UK for her,
Their Mother is Jane (Probably COWES)
Father is Emmanuel COWES.
(Harry's marriage in 1923 at Kippax church lists his father as Emmanuel Cowes deceased).
Oral family history says they never married BUT Jane does marry in 1916 to someone else and is listed as JANE COWES on the marriage record plus her 3 children all have the surname COWES.
I know for definite that Harry and William die in the UK - I have located death records for them.
Amy marries Martin J Kenny in 1914 and oral family history say they emigrated to the USA but no one knows where.
I have been unable to locate ANY UK census records 1891/1901/1911 for Jane or the children and I am wondering if perhaps it was Emmanuel with the US connection?
I have located a 1911c for an Emmanuel Cowes who states he was born in Devon (UK) in 1856 and is single - it IS possible this could be him. I have no BMD for him so cannot be sure.
Many thanks for any help at all with this one - it's proving a real mystery
Kind regards - Debbie
(I know I could solve some some of this with certificates but it is too costly at the moment)
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Hi,
Does anyone have access to the 1900 and/or 1910 us census records - Massachusettes probably.
I am trying to find the following:
Harry Cowes (Born 1895) Pontefract Yorkshire
William Cowes (Born 1889) Don't know where - I have his DOB from his WW1 enlistment record
Amy Cowes (Born 1885-1895) again, no birth located in the UK for her,
Their Mother is Jane (Probably COWES)
Father is Emmanuel COWES.
(Harry's marriage in 1923 at Kippax church lists his father as Emmanuel Cowes deceased).
Oral family history says they never married BUT Jane does marry in 1916 to someone else and is listed as JANE COWES on the marriage record plus her 3 children all have the surname COWES.
I know for definite that Harry and William die in the UK - I have located death records for them.
Amy marries Martin J Kenny in 1914 and oral family history say they emigrated to the USA but no one knows where.
I have been unable to locate ANY UK census records 1891/1901/1911 for Jane or the children and I am wondering if perhaps it was Emmanuel with the US connection?
I have located a 1911c for an Emmanuel Cowes who states he was born in Devon (UK) in 1856 and is single - it IS possible this could be him. I have no BMD for him so cannot be sure.
Many thanks for any help at all with this one - it's proving a real mystery
Kind regards - Debbie
(I know I could solve some some of this with certificates but it is too costly at the moment)
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Quite alot of US Census and other records are available :-
https://www.familysearch.org/
For a few more days there are also :-
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All American records covering the 1940 era - FREE
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Sandra
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Quite alot of US Census and other records are available :-
https://www.familysearch.org/
For a few more days there are also :-
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All American records covering the 1940 era - FREE
From 0001 BST 2nd April to1159 BST 10th April 2012, anyone can search and view over 750 million records from 139 different collections. These include birth, marriage and death records, passenger lists, military records and even the entire 1930 U.S. Census!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0l2m/
Sandra
Duplicated :- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,591087.new.html#new
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Duplicated here:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=591088.new
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Many thanks Sandra.
I have searched the IGI already and the Ancestry is for 1940's and I know the family were
in the Yorkshire area from 1914 onward. It's 1890-1911 I'm unable to locate them.
Regards - Debbie
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Hi,
Amy marries Martin J Kenny in 1914 and oral family history say they emigrated to the USA but no one knows where.
So these 2 immigrated to the USA in 1914 and then came back to the UK in 1914 onwards ???
Where in the UK do they marry - can't pick out the marriage record ?
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OK. Found the marriage - March 1918
Amy Cowes and Martin J Kenny at Pontefract Ref :- 9c 216
Sandra
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Cannot see anything under the surname "Cowes" on passenger lists returning to the UK.
Can see a William Cowles aged 23 (occupation:- miner) returning from New York on the Caronia 18th April 1912.
Not picking up a Martin or Amy going out to the States yet.
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra for checking this for me.
I have just located Jane (Widowed) and her 3 children on the UK 1901 census listed under COWER.
At least I know they were in the UK in 1901 now.
Emmanuel is still a mystery - No Birth/marriage or death located
I still haven't found Jane on 1891 or 1911 as yet but I will keep checking varients.
I didn't manage to locate anything for Martin and Amy Kenny on any of the genealogy sites I subscribe too either.
Thank you for your help though - I do appreciate it.
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Hi Debbie,
Jane (transcribed as John) is under Harrison with a husband William Harrison in 1911 in Kippax. Yorkshire. Also William and Harry Harrison are Cowes on the image. The Harrison boys on the 1901 UK Census (except Robert) are also there, plus a couple of others.
Sandra
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The youngest son born 1908
Denis Harrison - Birth and Baptism Date - 11 June 1907 St Marys Kippax
Father's Name: William Harrison and Mother - Jane Harrison.
Well Lane. William was a miner. Vicar E B Smith.
Sandra
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Wilfred Harrison. Born 3 rd November 1902 Baptised 10 December 1902 All Saints Castleford
Father's Name was William Harrison and Mother - Jane Harrison.
5 Bk York Street. Vicar E L Bones.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Many many thanks for your help. Wow, the mystery deepens! AND more children!
Well Lane is the address both William & Harry Cowes give in 1914 & 1916 when they enlist for WW1.
Jane Cowes/Harrison marries in 1914 to John Crawley and is listed as Jane Cowes so I'm guessing she never marries William Harrison.
Apart from the 1911c when an Emmanuel Cowes is showing as a single Labourer (Born Devon) and living in Ratcliffe and on Harry's marriage certificate where Emmanuel is listed as a deceased miner - I cannot locate him at all anywhere. No Birth marriage or death.
If he "ran" away and left the family - then why would he use his own name again in 1911? (This is more of thinking out loud than a question to you).
My guess is he left the family and Jane told the children he had died though that wouldn't explain why there are no records for him. My second puzzle is if he wasn't called Emmanuel Cowes and had just used this name when he met Jane - why would he revert to using it again on the 1911 census?
(Again - this is me thinking out loud).
The next mystery is Amy & Martin Kenny - Maybe the family oral history got this wrong as I too cannot locate any for them.
So - I'm left with a big puzzle.
I'd like to thank you again for ALL your help and look-ups it's very much appreciated.
Kindest regards Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
Don't think I've forgotten you - no luck with Emmanuel - a lack of them in BMD records so you would think he would stand out like a sore thumb !!
Haven't given up - concentrated on Amy but still cannot see her. So frustrating. ???
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Thank you SO MUCH.
This one is such a mystery!
I think that Jane did not marry either of her "husbands" - Emmanuel Cowes or William Harrison but we know for certain that she DID marry John Crawley. I can't locate Jane OR baby William Cowes on the 1891 either (Wm would be about 1/2 yrs of age) and he was born Manchester. I have tried Lancs on line for any combo of William/Emmanuel/Jane and just Jane and William but have drawn a blank.
Ancestry/Find my past and Genes Reunited haven't revealed anything else on Emmanuel other that 1911 record.
I think I may have to resort to purchasing her marriage certificate to John Crawley for her fathers name and that may reveal her maiden name but I'll double check with the cousins that they definitely don't have it 1st.
Thank you once again
A puzzled (and frustrated) Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
Just came across your query.
Jane is in the 1891 Census as Jane Coles at Colbornes Farm, Pale Gate, Goosnargh, Preston, Lancashire with husband William and son William.
How have your searches gone since last year?
Andrew