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Does anyone know if it is possible to obtain birth certificates for Regimental births? I have found my ancestor, a Rose Bennyworth was born in Mauritius in 1848. She is listed under Rb A-B pdf p196, ref 923 1. Ideally I would like to obtain a copy of her birth certificate, if such a thing exists, to establish if Bennyworth was her father or mother's name. Any advice much appreciated. :)
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... She is listed under Rb A-B pdf p196, ref 923 1...
If you found this on the internet can you post the address (url/link) so we can see it.
It could be from the regimental/overseas BMDs in which case you can order it from the UK GRO online.
Ken
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Many thanks Ken, it is good to know I should be able order it in the usual way. I did find the information through a search of Regimental / overseas births, so hopefully a birth certificate is obtainable. That will be my next job. Then I shall see what I can find out about the 5th Regiment who were stationed there in 1848!
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Hi
Just wondering if you can help point in the right direction to trace an ancestor.
Thomas Moore was born in Mauritius in 1853, and later census shows either british subject or in the army.
We have no more info and need to trace his parents , maybe through birth records
Where did you source the bmd ref you have - we can find nothing?
Any help or advice gratefully received
Alan
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Where did you source the bmd ref you have - we can find nothing?
Hi Alan
These are from the overseas/regimental on sites such as Findmypast. However they are not complete and I could not find anything that matches.
It may be better to forget a military connection for the time being and research if the church records for Mauritius are availble. If his father was in the army his baptism record may give you his regiment.
Ken
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Does anyone know if it is possible to obtain birth certificates for Regimental births? I have found my ancestor, a Rose Bennyworth was born in Mauritius in 1848. She is listed under Rb A-B pdf p196, ref 923 1. Ideally I would like to obtain a copy of her birth certificate, if such a thing exists, to establish if Bennyworth was her father or mother's name. Any advice much appreciated. :)
hi,,,just wondered if you were aware that there were 2 other births to a man in the 5th foot?
BENNYWORTH
Mary A
Ireland
1845
BENNYWORTH
Anne
Mauritius
1851
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hi
I am looking for a Thomas Moore b 1852/1853 in Mauritius - where have you sourced your info on ANNE
Alan
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As Ken said,,,from Findmypast regimental births,,,but no Thomas Moore in those indexes. :'(
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Thanks for this. I did find these two children also and did obtain a birth certificate for Rose. I will need to find out if the 5th were in Cavan, Ireland before the Mauritius posting.
I also could do with finding out what happened to Rose's parents, as in 1861 census she is living with an aunt and uncle called Desmond in Torquay. When Rose is married in !871, her aunt is a witness.
Last year I emailed the Mauritius record office details below
MAURITIUS
The Registrar of Civil Status
Civil Status Division
7th Level
Emmanuel Anquetil Building
Port Louis
Mauritius
Email address: civstat@mail.gov.mu
-this information might be helpful to Alan
Cath
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Hi Cath
The 5th Regiment were in Ireland from 1843 to 1847 when they sailed to Mauritius. They are not listed as being in Cavan but these lists only record where the CO was. They did not have barracks large enough to house a whole regiment then, so they were divided into company strength detachments over a wide area. It was also desireable to show the flag over a wide area as there was little in the way of a police force then.
The CO was in Belfast and then Enniskillen in 1845 so it likely they had a detachment in Cavan.
Ken
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Hi Ken,
Very interested to hear when the 5th went to Mauritius and that they were previously stationed in Ireland. Is it likely that wives accompanied husbands or would the children fathered by William Bennyworth been by different mothers in Cavan and Mauritius? Of course..just realised I can order the birth certificate for the Irish daughter, that might answer that one!
Do you know where the 5th went after Mauritius. On Rose's wedding cert her father William Bennyworth is described as pensioner. I don't know how long he served in the army. I believe there might be records at the museum at Alnwick Castle, but haven't written to them yet.
Many thanks
Cath
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Hi Cath
The 5th Fusiliers went to India in 1857.
Ken
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hi,,William Bennyworth was b c1811 Boston,Lincolnshire,,he enlisted in 1831 age 20..served in Mauritius for 7 years,,,on discharge he was age 44 having served from 1831-1854,,,on discharge he was 5ft 8",,blue eyes,fair complexion,dark brown hair,,he was a blacksmith by trade.His number 963,, he made corporal. ;)
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in the service record his surname was Benneyworth,,there is a William Benneyworth described as a pensioner in the 1881 census in Lincolnshire,,,he has a wife Frances,,,but looks like he married her in 1856 after leaving the army,,so maybe his first wife,,,Roses mother,,died.
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marriage
BENNEYWORTH, William
Registration district:Boston
County:Lincolnshire
Year o1856
Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no:7A
Page no:818
ROBBINS, Frances
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Big thank you Ken and Gortonboy. What a lot of information. Plenty to think about and follow up. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Cath
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Hi everyone
I hope one or more of you can help me with the Benniworth/Bennyworth/variations, please.
I am looking for a marriage between Robert Benniworth & Mary Ann ?? born Dublin, Ireland c1810-20
Robert Benniworth was baptised 26 Nov 1806 St Botolph, Boston, Lincs to John Bennyworth & Elizabeth Wilson - father Blacksmith.
Robert served in the army and I do have his Chelsea Pensioners Service Records, which states he enlisted Boston 7 Nov 1829, single, with the 7 Dragoon Guards. I also have his Medal & Award Rolls which show him serving in 2nd Kaffir War, South Africa (Cape of Good Hope) 1846-47. He then past medical examinations due to his sight for a Chelsea Pension 1847.
I am also looking for a birth/baptism for their eldest dau Elizabeth Benniworth/Bennyworth c 1837 Birmingham or Lincs - she married William Gamble, Hull, Yks
I am also looking for a birth/baptism for their son John c1844 Dublin, Ireland- he married Betsey Vinters, Lincoln, Lincs.
I am also trying to ascertain if the son John born Dublin was white like his father, or if his wife Betsey was white/brown, as they did have a son Harry 1870 Boston, Lincs who was Brown and died in WW1 ???
All the other children of Robert & Mary Ann were birth registered Boston, Lincs from 1847-1854 which is after Robert was discharged from the army with a Chelsea Pension, he died 1866 @ Hull, Yks.
Can anyone help me please?
Kind regards
bendywendy
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I do believe that the William Bennyworth mentioned on here is the brother to my Robert Benniworth.
Frances Robbins was born 1818 Leake, Lincs her and William had a son Sidney born 1860 Butterwick, Lincs.
All are on 1861/71/81 census @ Butterwick, Lincs.
Their parents moved around the area of Boston and had children at Billinghay, Brothertoft, Skirbeck, Sibsey & Boston the father John was a Blacksmith and Robert was a Farrier in the Army.
There is no Rose listed with them on the census's.
I have found an entry on a Member Tree, llisted as Rose Bennyworth Desmond, although it is private I will ask them who her parents are for you catmint, unless this is your tree ???
b.
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I am surprised you do not know his wife's maiden name. Assuming you have them in the 1851 census you can then find the births of the two youngest daughters on FreeBMD and order one of the certificates.
The 7th Dragoon Guards were in Birmingham until May 1837 when they moved to York.
There is confusion with James' place of birth. The father's service record says he served in South Africa for a few days short of four years. As he was invalided back in mid-1847 this tallies with him sailing with the regiment in April 1843. So either the service record has the time in SA wrong, or Dublin is wrong on the census. The 7DG were in Ireland from September 1841 to March 1843. But not in Dublin from the information I have.
Ken
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Hi Ken
Thanks for replying.
Yes, I could buy a birth cert, may come to that.
Now you have noted some good points because I have doubted as to whether Robert is the natural father of
Elizabeth, but with what you have noted about where the 7 DG where, then this casts doubt upon Robert being
the father of John too. I now have a great feeling that he is not the father to either of them. So I am looking for a marriage sometime after John's birth c1844/45 onwards, most likely after 1847 when he was pensioned out of the army?
The reason I mentioned about the Brown Race is that this John had a son who was of Brown Race as detailed on his Navy WW1 info, so either John was BR or his wife Betsey Vinters was. The family know about there being coloured people in the family of Elizabeth's, could it have been her brother John?? John did live in Hull, the family moved from Lincs to Hull. Robert is stated as Fresh complexion.
Alas many years have gone by, my aunt is now 93 yrs and cannot remember everything and her husband past away many many years ago. Bennyworth is my aunts husband's line, Elizabeth was his grandmother.
Where in Ireland was the 7DG from 1841-43 please ??
Also do you know the details for the 1841 census where they would be please ??
Thanks Ken, b.
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After much searching I have found Elizabeth Benniworth on 1851 census, unm, 14, house servant in Boston, Lincs. But I cannot find her on 1841 cen ??? so is this surname B her birth one or one she has taken up by way of her mother Mary Ann marrying Robert Benniworth ???
b.
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They were in Ballincolig then Cahir for 11 and 7 months respectively. For the 1841 census they were in Ipswich. But these places are where the CO was and troop-sized detachments could be spread far and wide, and I have located Robert in a barracks in Norwich - HO107 piece 789 folio 46 page 1
I found him via James Tozer, so try using him if you get stuck. The 1841 census does not give married status, but there is no wife listed as you find for other men. So it could be that Mary A was a widow and the oldest children were not his. I think you are going to have to order Leticia's BC to help you find the marriage.
Ken
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Hi Ken
Thanks once again, I have tried n better tried to find him on 1841 cen.. thanks, will have look now.
Just another point of interest re the children, the youngest Ellen which shows on 1861 cen is not Robert's, she is his granddaughter and daughter to Elizabeth, she shows up later with Elizabeth as dau, so many swings n tails with this family.
b.
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Hi Ken
Found him, what a strange transcription for his surname Bermguerth :-\
Have you seen the entry on the same page, above him for a Mary Ann Downham ? 25 born in S/I/F is that a Y for yes or I for Ireland in that box ?
listed with a dau Elizabeth Downham ? 4 with N in S/I/F ?
above them is John Downham, sgt, 40 not born in county but a tick in S/I/F box
All these are a good match if this is her and Elizabeth and a suitable name for a son John later ??
.... but then again I could be miles apart ..... ooking likely for a childs birth cert.
b.
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Something strange... there was another child between Elizabeth & John..
Mary A Benneworth reg Mar Q 1841 Radford, Nottingham, she appears on 1851 cen with family.
Could this place of birth mean that maybe Robert & Mary Ann were living seperately as he is defo on the 1841 cen
at Norfolk at this time ?
See swings n tails ???
b.