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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: matts on Saturday 07 April 12 09:36 BST (UK)
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looking for death of John Frederick WASS born 1853 grantham lincolnshire marriage to Sarah Jane Johnson in 1874, had 3, children, lived mostly in Ropsley Lincolnshire, lost track of him after 1891,thank you
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Looks like he was still around in 1895
Sarah jane Wass died 1894 and it looks like John Frederick remarried
Marriage reg FreeBMD
John F Wass
Mar qtr 1895
Grantham
7a 572
Suz
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Hi there
Did find a John F Wass who died the 2nd quarter of 1920 aged 67. Born
about 1853 and registered in Eccleshall Bierlow. He could have moved
from Grantham.
His parents were James and Harriett born 1822.
regards Sandymc
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I think he married Agnes mary Trusswell (b.c.1870 Northants) it looks like she died before 1911 -but can't find them in 1901
Suz
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Now here's a little puzzle
It looks like John Frederick Wass married Agnes Mary trusswell -marriage reg 1895
Where are they in 1901?????
Agnes mary died 1909
Death reg freeBMD
Agnes mary Wass
Mar qtr 1909
age 39
Doncaster
9c 528
then it seems John Frederick married for a 3rd time
Marriage reg
John F Wass
Clara Brannan
Sept qtr 1912
Ecclesall Bierlow
9c 821
Clara Brannan was a widow (b.Sheffield)
Strange thing is
Clara Brannan was in same household in 1911 - but John Frederick was calling himself John Frederick Johnson ????
Which of course was his 1st wife's maiden name?????
Suz
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No wonder we find it hard finding our ancestors, especially when they
change their names lol ???
So the death I found was correct then, phew I am glad about that
:)
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Hi Sandymc47,
It seems the death reg you found is very possibly correct ......but I have just discovered something else a little puzzling ???
I think John Frederick Wass was calling himself "Frederick Johnson" in 1901 -and is lodging with Clara Brannan
1901
18 Bailey St Sheffield Yks
Clara Brannan Head MARRIED 45 Sheffield Yks
Joseph Phillips son 17 Engineer Turner & Fitter London
Albert Phillips son 14 Errand Boy Sheffield
Grace brannan daughter 6 Sheffield
Bernard Brannan son 3 Sheffield
FREDERICK JOHNSON lodger MARRIED 48 Tailor Grantham Notts
Lily Johnson Lodger 7 Grantham
RG13 4361 64 21
so both Clara and "Frederick" were married - do you think they had left their respective spouses ?
and who was Lily Johnson? -she could be Sarah (John F's first wife)'s child???
It looks like Clara Brannan was married to a Mr Phillips first???
And where is Agnes mary???
1911 some of the Brannan children are in the same household as John Frederic
Think more investigation is needed
Suz
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Wow!!! you are both wonderfull, all that information found in a few hour's, certainly given me lots of help, l am going to enjoy sorting all this out, and possably send for the death cert, plus marriage cert,
it seems strange that his son James( my grandad never told his daughter (my mum) about her grandad remarrying, my mum born 1917 oldest of 12 children said she never saw or heard of john Frederick and none of her siblings mentioned him might have been because John F moved out the area, thank you both again going to have a go at sorting this out,
Regards June
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think I have sorted Clara out ????
It seems she was Clara Steele who married
1 Henry Phillips
2 Martin Brannan
3. John Frederick Wass
Looks like she was living with John Frederick Wass (alias Johnson) before Martin Brannan died???
Her children are named Brannan /Phillips -it varies from census to census
do you require marriages etc??
Suz
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1901 Frederick Johnson (who is poss John Frederick Wass) has a 7 yr old Lily Johnson with him (b.Grantham) both are boarders with Clara Brannan - wonder whose child Lily is???
Suz
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Hi, would appreciate marriage dates if possable, sounds like John F was a bit of a lad even at 50years old,
thank you, l will be away for a week, so will get back to you soon, once again thank you for your help, regards June
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It looks to me that Lily would probably be poor Sarahs child by her age.
As she is 7 years old she could have been born 1894 when Sarah died.
So maybe she died in childbirth.
Why he has changed his name we will probably never know.
I wonder if he was trying to avoid something or someone.
He had quite a life from what we have found out.
I am not surprised your Mum didnt know anything about
him. Children were seen and not heard up to about 1970
in this Country. :o
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sorry do not have any new
info for you but its sounds like a good interesting story ;D
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Cannot find a birth reg for lily "Johnson"-or Wass??
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Mar qtr 1881
Sheffield
on same page
Clara Steele
Henry phillips
9c 448
Dec qtr 1889
Sheffield
on same page
Clara Phillips
Martin Brannan (trascribed Braman)
Possibly martin brannan died 1902 in Sheffield??
Suz