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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: tjcook9476 on Friday 06 April 12 00:31 BST (UK)
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There are so many record to search and i am waisting so much money trying to look at records that turn out to be dead ends. If anyone can help me i would be very grateful. I am trying to find a birth record for Amos Cook born 1841 (According to census records) i have various birth places Newbury, Beenham, and bradfield berkshire but i cannot find his birth record i know his father was William Cook b1796 thatcham berkshire but to find all his siblings i need a mothers name. PLEASE HELP!!!
I also Know he had 2 sisters Esther and Ellen both born beenham berkshire, he married charlotte May and moved to Ealing west london where they had loads of children 13 at last count. i also know that williams parents were Thomas & Esther and Thomas's Parents were George and Mary, all living in thatcham.
Thank You!!!!
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Esther was 5 years old on the 1851 census (HO107, 1691, 217, 10), so their mother could have died at any time from Esther's birth until 1851.
There are 2 female Cook deaths in the Bradfield district during that time:
March qtr 1846
Bradfield district vol 6, page 112
Cook, Eliza
and
March qtr 1850
Bradfield district vol 6, page 105
Cook, Hannah
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You didn't give an age for the sisters but maybe a possible-
The IGI has the baptism of an Esther Cook in Beenham 28 Jul 1845 d/o William Cook and Hannah
A possible sibling- George Cook bapt 20 Mar 1825 Thatcham s/o William Cook and Hannah
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Hi,
The only Amos I could find in 1841 (supposing he was born before the census) in Beenham is an Amos Bunce living with a family transcribed as Burges, which includes a Hannah Burges aged 25.
Ho107/25 1/6 7
There is a marriage Bradfield JAS 1842 6 183
William Cook, same page Hannah Bunce.
Not sure quite what the Bunce/Burges connection is unless they are both meant to be the same surname.
Cathy
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The only Amos I could find in 1841 (supposing he was born before the census) in Beenham is an Amos Bunce living with a family transcribed as Burges, which includes a Hannah Burges aged 25.
The Burghess family are the neighbors on the 1851 census.
John b 1823 Beenham - Head
Ann b 1785 Hamberg, Sussex - Mother
George b 1841 Midgham
William b 1843 Midgham
Perhpas Amos was sent to apprentice with them, or they are somehow connected.
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Hi,
It looks like Amos was born a BUNCE,
Amos BUNCE Dec Q 1840 Bradfield 6 139
Baptism
Amos BUNCE
03 Oct 1840
Beenham, Berkshire
Mother's Name: Hannah
I think Hannah COOK/BUNCE was originally a BURGESS,
Christening
Hannah BURGESS
22 Oct 1815
Beenham, Berkshire, England
Father: William
Mother: Ann
Marriage
Robert BUNCE
Hannah BURGIS
29 Sep 1832
Beenham, Berkshire
Christening
Robert BUNCE
01 Sep 1836
Beenham, Berkshire
Father: Robert
Mother: Hannah
This would be the 4 year old Robert in the 1841 census. I think this Robert jnr is a servant living in Bucklebury in 1851 HO107/1691 f.180 p.20
This could be the death of Robert BUNCE Snr but I wonder where he was for the christening of Amos or the 1841 census?
Death
Robert BUNCE SepQ 1849 Bradfield 6 105
I think it would be worth getting the marriage cert. of William COOK to Hannah BUNCE to see if she was formally BURGESS, late BUNCE.
Regards,
Daisy
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Thank you all so much for helping, this just gets curiouser and curiouser, so if amos was born amos bunce that could mean that william was not his father in which case the whole cook family line has been walking around for all these years with the wrong surname?????? hmmm
i think i might need to make a trip to berkshire... any other information will be gratefully recieved.
The sisters i mentioned were born Ellen 1842 beenham mother hannah and esther 1846 beenham but her mothers name appears as harriet.
it just gets more and more confusing from there lol it would appear that william may have married again if hannah passed away.
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Hi,
It wasn't unusual for children to take their step-father's name, but as Robert BUNCE Jnr seems to have kept the BUNCE name and Amos took William COOK's name I wonder if Amos was really William's child. Robert BUNCE Snr does not have his name on the christening transcription I saw for Amos and I can't find him in 1841 so perhaps he had left Hannah or was away for some reason. Maybe someone else will be able to find him.
I found this christening transcription for Esther, the mother is shown as Hannah not Harriet,
Esther COOK
28 Jul 1845
Beenham, Berkshire
Father: William
Mother: Hannah
I think this could be Hannah's death,
Hannah COOK Mar Q 1850 Bradfield 6 105
Daisy
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You have been brilliant thank you!! it was my mistake it was ellens record that i found that said harriet as the mother, but as i have found this could be a typo as in the 1861 census on Genes Reunited i found william cook and they listed amos as enos and i have also seen records that show him as emos lol this is all very confusing but great fun i am actually enjoying it lol.
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A Robert Bunce bc.1811 was buried st St. Peter, Woolhampton, Berkshire on 1/5/1836 - perhaps this was her husband. It would seem she only had one child with him i.e. George and I would agree that Amos is almost certainly a son of William Cook and Hannah. He would have had to be shown as Bunce on birth/baptism records as that was his mothers legal surname at the time.
Annette
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That death seems much more likely than the 1849 one I found :) but I wonder why it took William and Hannah until 1842 to get married?
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I have been asking myself the same question, what i have been pondering is that he was born in 1796 so he was 46 when he married hannah and she was listed as being 25 on the 1841 census so she was only 26 when they married. Dont get me wrong i have nothing against age gap marrages but this could mean there was another wife before hannah and possible children from that marrage. I do love this every time i think i have the answers they only give me more questions lol.
Tina
i have found another possible marrage of William Cook to Jane Stocker 1820 in Thatcham Berkshire, i also found 4 children:
john cook 1821
Hannah Cook 1824
jane cook 1828
Henry Cook 1830
The problem i have now is that on the 1841 census it is not showing any of these living with there father (henry being only 11 would he have already moved out). I also found a death record of a jane cook on 24 jul 1831 berkshire which would leave william free to marry again, would his marrage cert to hannah show if he was a widower?
Tina
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Not your William married to Jane.
They appear with children living in Thatcham in 1841.
Annette
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Damn it, another false trail lol, thank you for looking
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I have a Cook family tree going back to 1760s Berkshire but none of your names and dates coincide with mine so must be another branch.
My Cooks hailed from West Shefford and Hampstead Norris.
My Gt grandmother was Ellen Cook born 1876 Basildon, Berks.
We might be related?
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ok have received the birth cert and marriage cert, on Amos bunces birth cert it shows no father so that was no surprise, the marriage cert for william and hannah was a bit more interesting it showed that none of them could write as they marked there names with an X which i suppose was common but it also showed williams father was also william which has now put me right back to square one as i thought his fathers name was thomas, so all the research i had already was wrong.
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Your William Cook was, according to census, bc.1796 Englefield, Berkshire. He was actually a couple of years out:
William Cook bp.11/2/1798 Englefield, Berkshire, son of William and Amelia
at least 3 siblings:
Elizabeth bp.23/3/1800
James bp.1801 (full date not shown)
Richard bp.10/7/1803
William Cook married Amelia Wise 9/7/1797 Sulhampstead Banister, Berks.
(Sulhampstead just SE of Englefield).
Annette
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Thank You Annette, i found some of this information this evening as well so i am glad you have come up with the same answers it means i am finally starting to do something right lol thanks so much