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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: nwr on Wednesday 04 April 12 11:14 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help to find Joseph Allan he married Susan McChesney in scotland and emmigrated to New Zealand in 1950. As far as i know they both died over there can anone help with info. thankyou.
Norman
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Hello Norman, there are several Joseph Allan deaths showing on BDM site post 1950
...https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Do you have his and Susan's birth years to work from ?
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All but 2 of the 9 Josephs have 2nd names as well and of the 4 Susans, there is just 1 with no second name
2008/2901 Allan Susan 18 March 1923 (birth date)
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Thats the right Susan her and Joseph were born in Scotland as far as i know they had no children going by family stories.Got the ships transcript they left London 21st of Feb 1950, Joseph was a prison officer but then became a station master tried interment site for burials on Susan and Joseph but know luck. Thankyou for helping.
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If that is definitely her birth date, then by process of elimination on the 2008/2901 information from BDM site, her date of death was 28 January 2008. Someone may be able to offer more with that info when NZ wakes up ;) ... electoral rolls, cemetery, newspaper death notice etc...
Were you able to pick out your Joseph from the site ?
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1954 there is a match in Wellington, he is a mechanic
Bye
althea
they are at same address in 1981..bit wary about giving more details till we confirm they are deceased
What was Josephs year of birth
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In 1950 he was 28 that makes the year he was born 1922 thats when he went to New Zealand
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The only possibility on the BDM site then is the one with the birth date 23 March 1923 ... ref 1983/43583 ... but is John with second name Joseph and also a 3rd name ... unless what we're looking for is referrenced under a different spelling of Allan ...
OR your Joseph is still living at 90 years ....
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Under the spelling Allen there isn't Joseph on own that matches age, there are 2 with second name Joseph, born 1922
Nothing showing with the spelling Alan
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As far as we know he was Joseph [Joe] we never found a birth cert.he is my great uncle, i am working with my cousin who also lives in scotland. It is possible that he is still living? found the rest of the family and they all came under Allan but you never know .
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You should probably remove the name..as we can only now assume he is living
or he could have fitted into the criteria that doesn't show on BMD
Deaths that occurred at least 50 years ago or the deceased's date of birth was at least 80 years ago.
Bye
Althea
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Susans death notices
The Dominion Post 01 Feb 2008
The Dominion Post 30 Jan 2008
pay site http://www.amemorytree.co.nz/personnotices.php?personid=44217
Could ask for lookup or email Wellington library
Bye
Althea
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Thankyou all who tried to help if you have any relations in scotland i will try to help. thanks once again.
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You should probably remove the name..as we can only now assume he is living
or he could have fitted into the criteria that doesn't show on BMD
Deaths that occurred at least 50 years ago or the deceased's date of birth was at least 80 years ago.Bye
Althea
so he would have had to have advanced his real age by 10 years at least ... and be only 18 or younger for that to be case
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thanks mare
too tired to think
just thought it could have been an answer
he must then still be alive ??
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Quite possible if he was born 1922, unless we can prove otherwise ....
.... shut-eye needed here too :) syl
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With info from my cousin Joseph and Susan are both deadjust have to find out what cemetery their buried in and where. You guys are great remember if i can return the favour here in scotland.
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Found Susans Obituary Susan Allan died the 28th Jan 2008 Wellington Hospital
Beloved wife of the Late Joe. Beloved sister of Margaret,John,Cecelia this is some of Susans brother and sisters. Just found out according to family stories that Joe died in the 80s he was in his 60s
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I also think that Susans mother died in new zealand as well her name was Catherine[Kate] Docherty.And a sister Mary who died in Australia still to prove this just want to concentrate on Joseph and Susan
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Did the death notice give the funeral director
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Is this Susan's mother's death
1962/37440 Docherty Catherine Ann 63Y
Cheers Janette
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Norman, re your reply #17 that Susan was the wife of the late Joe and family stories have you believing he died in the 1980s, possibility the referrence I mentioned in my reply #7 may be him ? the birth year is 1923 with second name Joseph but Joseph may have only been his preferred and commonly used name, there's also a third name... does the name Gemmell fit anywhere in the family tree?
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Well its morning here in the North East of Scotland 10-26am. just settling down .The funeral home isHarbour City Funeral Home Ltd they have a tribute site and its lovely.I think Catherine Docherty was born 1885 but will have to check as far as i know Joe didn,t have a middle name.
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You could email the FD and ask if they can give you any info on Joseph,they should have it on file as in NZ the FD files the info for the registration of death
http://www.fdanz.org.nz/about-fdanz/fdanz-funeral-directors/wellington.aspx
Cheers Janette
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As Susan was cremated..there may not be a "burial place"
again as Janette mentions the Funeral Director would know whether an immediate interment took place or if ashes were returned to rellies
Bye
althea
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As Susan was cremated..there may not be a "burial place"
again as Janette mentions the Funeral Director would know whether an immediate interment took place or if ashes were returned to rellies
Bye
althea
Do you have an address for 1981 census and what would be the nearest cemetery.
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Unfortunately for family history, NZ census records are not researchable as not archived ... addresses are searched on Electoral rolls and in various directories, eg White Pages.
As only an occasional visitor to Wellington, I don't have much local knowledge but the biggest cemetery there is Karori. The link given for FD may be worth persuing...
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Unfortunately for family history, NZ census records are not researchable as not archived ... addresses are searched on Electoral rolls and in various directories, eg White Pages.
As only an occasional visitor to Wellington, I don't have much local knowledge but the biggest cemetery there is Karori. The link given for FD may be worth persuing...
Thankyou for help.Wondered if theres any newspaper archives in that area just found out from family stories that Joe died before his mother she died in 1926 scotland.
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Unfortunately for family history, NZ census records are not researchable as not archived ... addresses are searched on Electoral rolls and in various directories, eg White Pages.
As only an occasional visitor to Wellington, I don't have much local knowledge but the biggest cemetery there is Karori. The link given for FD may be worth persuing...
Thankyou for help.Wondered if theres any newspaper archives in that area just found out from family stories that Joe died before his mother she died in 1926 scotland.
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I've just read that a couple of times ... ummmm ? :)
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This is the Papers Past link ... http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast mostly older clippings though, before your family came to NZ 1950, more recent newspapers are available at libraries to look through on microfiche ... for anyone to offer to look on your behalf, the request would have to be fairly specific ...
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Just linking your other thread here :) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,590883.0/topicseen.html
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By information on that Yorkshire thread giving Joseph's birthdate as 24 July 1921, it eliminates post #7 anyway :)
and appears his death was there in York, September 1986
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Thanks Mare will have a look will let you know