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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: prjoey on Wednesday 04 April 12 11:00 BST (UK)
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Looking for all info possible on this person & Family
I have info she was born 4/6/1887 at Tongala ?????
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Could it be 'Traralgon'?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/59563865?searchTerm=%22Agatha%20CARSTENS%22&searchLimits=
Jamjar
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No
I am pretty sure the family was in the Goulbourn Valley
Her husband was.................John Alexander McLeod died 17/7/1941
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You say: 'Looking for all info possible on this person & Family'
It appears that you already have information, so it would make it easier for those ready to assist to tell us all you do already know, please.
Jamjar
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Hi there,
Perhaps you already have the following:
1909 Electoral Roll for Echuca, in the subdivision of Kyabram
CARSTENS, Agatha Josephine, Tongala, home duties
CARSTENS, Hans, Tongala, farmer
From the index, births, 1887, #24472
Agatha Josephine CARSTERS (sic)
Dau of Hans Carsters and Bridget Ryan
Birth place (abbreviation only) TONG, Vic
Cheers, JM
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Death for
McLEOD Agatha Josephine
1961 age 73 years Yea
Father: Hans Carstens Mother: Bridget Ryan
Reg # 6351
Raylen
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Hi there,
A public tree on Ancestry has her birth as 4 June 1887, and you can confirm that with her birth cert. That can be downloaded immediately with your plastic card, using the ref I gave previously will save you $Au1.00. Vic bdm certs are very very detailed. Here’s the link
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Adding, using the info Raylen found for you will save you another $1 if you download her d.c.
Cheers, JM
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Agatha Josephine McLeod is buried with her husband John at Yea Cemetery
and a photo of the headstone is available from
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Yea.htm
Raylen
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Marriage
MCLEOD Jno Alexr
CARSTENS Agatha Josephine
1923
Reg# 1097
Raylen
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And, as with many submitted trees, someone has Agatha marrying John when John was only eight years old ! They have the marriage as at Ballarat in 1886, and of course Agatha was not yet born :-X so someone has not done their homework .... :'(
No wonder that prjoey has asked for RChat help ;D
Cheers, JM
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Marriage of the parents of Agatha Josephine
CARSTENS Hans (born Denmark)
RYAN Bridget (born Clare)
1866 Reg# 409
Raylen
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I am not at all sure, but
10 August, 1865 arrival into Qld, on the Peter Godeffroy departing from Hamburg there's Hans CARSTENS aged 24.
If that is Agatha's Dad, then he needs to get to Vic by 1866 :)
Cheers, JM
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Thanks all for prompt replies
Jamjar..... I did have parents info sorry for not including
I am particularly interested to know if she had any brothers/sisters
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Re possible siblings
One of the submitted trees lists TEN siblings, AND another of those submitted trees only has Agatha. May I please stress that submitted trees should be treated with caution, and in my view, the sensible way to validate any apparent record on any person's family history is to firstly gain access to the official record ... eg birth certificates for siblings, (info usually given by one of the parents) or dcs for parents (hoping the names/ages of all the children are accurately noted) or mcs (info given by the bride and groom)
Here's some submitted info :
Births
1867 Peter Bogislaus
1869 Alexander
1872 Catherine Cecilia
1873 Thomas Edmund
1875 John Samuel
1878 Mary Ann
1880 Sophia Burgiette
1882 Antoinette Florence
1885 Herbert Thomas
1887 Agatha Josephine
1890 Joseph Francis
If you download Agatha Josephine's bc you should find ALL her older siblings noted there, including any that were no longer alive when she was born.
Cheers, JM
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Births
1867 Peter Bogislaus
1869 Alexander
1872 Catherine Cecilia
1873 Thomas Edmund
1875 John Samuel
1878 Mary Ann
1880 Sophia Burgiette
1882 Antoinette Florence
1885 Herbert Thomas
1887 Agatha Josephine
1890 Joseph Francis
If you download Agatha Josephine's bc you should find ALL her older siblings noted there, including any that were no longer alive when she was born.
Cheers, JM
Father: Hans Carstens Mother: Bridget Ryan
Births - with a couple of differences ;D
1867 Peter at Ballarat Reg#6425 ( no second name on registration) died 1893 at Tongala age 26yrs
1869 Alexander at Smythesdale Reg#25143
1871 Catherine Cecelia at Smythesdale Reg#26400
1874 Thomas Edmund at Ballarat East Reg#6728 died 1874 age 2months Reg#3817
1875 John Samuel at Ballarat Reg#13663
1878 Mary Ann at Echuca Reg#2266
1880 Sophie Bergitha at Tongala Reg#25616
1883 Antonetta Florence at Tongala Reg#5879
1885 Herbert Thomas at Tongala Reg#21999
1887 Agatha Josephine at Tongala Reg#24472
1890 Joseph Francis at Tongala Reg#28210
Raylen