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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: SBW-Tainui on Tuesday 03 April 12 10:16 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I've been working on my family tree and I've been able to get documents all the way up to Isabella Whitaker who married Lewis Davies Bickerton. Her parents were (supposedly) James Whitaker and Peti Hineraro (a.k.a. Betty Whitaker). And Peti's father was (supposedly) Potatau Te Wherowhero however I have found not a single document supporting the relationship between Peti and her supposed daughter and Te Wherowhero and Peti.
Is anyone able to help me here?
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Hello, I can see only one death record for an Isabella Bickerton and that is in 1927 at age 73 putting her year of birth at about 1954. Her marriage appears to have taken place in 1874. I can't find a birth for Isabella or a likely marriage for her father James. I'm not sure where in NZ these people lived. An Intention to Marry look-up might be helpful. It could be that Isabella's birth is recorded in parish records, but it might not have been registered.
Craig.
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LDS
Isabella Whittaker Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 1854 Whangaroa, Auckland, New Zealand
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Parents:
Father: James Whittaker Mother: Betty Hine Raria
Need to hunt for christening/church records for that area to confirm
Bye
althea
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Hi, brilliant Althea. To add to the Whangaroa baptisms that Althea found are Jane, Margaret, Ellen and John, all chritianed in 1848, sorry no exact date given. Of New Zealand deaths for James Whittaker there is one in 1905 aged 73, he would have been about 16 in 1948, and one in 1862, a James Dunn Whittaker who died at the age of 40. This James Dunn Whittaker was buried in Bolton Memorial Park in Wellington. I couldn't find a likely death for a James Whitaker, with
one t.
Regards,
Craig.
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Hi again,
Thank you for the support in such quick replies. I've been able to find the death in BDM and you're definitely right about her age and birth.
I haven't been able to find an intention to marry between James and Betty, nor that Betty ever existed apart from in relation to Isabella's birth. There also seems to be no support that she was a daughter of Te Wherowhero. I'd love to find her lineage and I'll be stopping by the archives next week but I fear that her life might be relatively unrecorded.
Cheers
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If one partner is maori, in those early years, a traditonal maori wedding would be held..registration did not apply
Betty is merely the anglicised name taken..by the sounds of it
Whakapapa websites plus google will allow you to find more
I don't know what you mean about Betty not existing
If you go back to LDS you will find bits of tree..but just in maori names
Bye
althea
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Here are Te Wherowheros ancestors
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1t86/1/1
Bye
Althea
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Thanks a lot for your help.
I think the Maori name is Peti rather than Betty.
In regards to 'non-existing' it's because I can't find documents on her anyway, I'm sure she did I just can't find proof.
Will keep looking
Cheers
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there are many trees online because of maori king connection
an email direct to Tanui with yoour query us a possiility
Ancestry has many trees with the connection, have you contacted any others re the info
Have you registered with Nga Puhi or Tainui where tribal lnks seem to be they will either confirm or deny in the process
the writer of this article may know more
http://www.thetreasury.org.nz/KoroMackay/KoroMackay.htm
Bye
Althea
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Hi there,
I've been working on my family tree and I've been able to get documents all the way up to Isabella Whitaker who married Lewis Davies Bickerton. Her parents were (supposedly) James Whitaker and Peti Hineraro (a.k.a. Betty Whitaker). And Peti's father was (supposedly) Potatau Te Wherowhero however I have found not a single document supporting the relationship between Peti and her supposed daughter and Te Wherowhero and Peti.
Is anyone able to help me here?
Hello, I can see only one death record for an Isabella Bickerton and that is in 1927 at age 73 putting her year of birth at about 1954. Her marriage appears to have taken place in 1874. I can't find a birth for Isabella or a likely marriage for her father James. I'm not sure where in NZ these people lived. An Intention to Marry look-up might be helpful. It could be that Isabella's birth is recorded in parish records, but it might not have been registered.
Craig.
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Hi, I may have some info that may be helpful, copied from family files.
Peti Wherowhero and others was the Maori wife of James Whittaker.
The issue was:-
William Whittaker Whittaker
Maggie Whittaker McGregor
Bella Whittaker Bickerton
Jennie Whittaker Coleman
Elinor Whittaker no record deceased
Elizabeth Whittaker Ireland
Full name. (Peti Hineraro Potatau Wherowhero) was born early 30's being the daughter of a chief. She was stolen from the tribe by Whittaker who was then a shipwright at Whangaroa. Whittaker was assisted in this business by members of the then established 58th regiment.
Hope this helps a little
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Hi there, Did you ever find the elusive Betty? I am hunting for her too on behalf of one of her descendants.
He is descended from Isabella Bicketon's oldedst son. So we seem to be on the same quest to find the Tainui connection!
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Following. Potatau Te Wherowhero was my 8 x koro... @Marcus is my Uncle
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Hi,
I am the 4x great-grandson of Betsy Van Arsdale. Betsy’s first husband was Isaac Van Arsdale, the man who was murdered at James Whitaker’s home in 1862.
Unfortunately, the identities of Betsy’s parents have always been a mystery. Her death certificate states that her father's Surname was Sinclair but a first name is not given and neither are the first and last names of her mother.
family stories have suggested that her mother's name was possibly Peti but I have struggled to confirm this. Anyway, I was looking at Betsy’s second marriage certificate and noticed that the witness’ listed were James and Jane Whitaker. The articles on Papers Past recounting the death of Isaac also point out that Betsy and Isaac, along with their two children, actually shared a house with James.
I thought I would do a bit of research on the Whitaker’s to see if I could find some clues regarding the identities of Betsy’s parents. When I realised that James’ wife was called Betty/Peti the thought crossed my mind that perhaps Betsy was the daughter of Peti from a prior relationship. Interestingly, Betsy has two sisters, Heni, and Ruiha. Heni is the Maori translation for Jane which also happens to be the name of one of Peti’s daughters. Might it be possible that Jane wasn’t actually James’ biological daughter?
Looking at photos of Betsy and Jane Whitaker I also felt that there were a number of similarities. ( I have included photos below)
I could be completely wrong, of course.
Edesearch
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Hi,
Being a descendant of James Whitaker and Irihapeti Potatau (via Isabella Bickerton) and based on another post that said he is buried at Whangaroa in Okura (or Otakura) Cemetery I tried to find the grave site last week but there appears to be no such cemetery - just the one behind the old (1883) Anglican church (which there's no apparent grave site for James). There is an Okura Bay on the other side of the harbour but no official cemetery there. Does anyone have further information on the Okura cemetery?
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Ask about the cemetery at the Kaeo museum as if it is in the area they will know where it is.
They also have an archives section with alot of genealogy related material so there could be something in there.