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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: JocelynM on Wednesday 28 March 12 22:03 BST (UK)
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Am researching family Bridgart from Derby. Would appreciate any information/help/photographs etc. Thanks JocelynM
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
To enable us to help you - could you give full details of the particular Bridgart family you are researching - names/birthyears etc
Please do not give details of anybody still living
Could you also tell us what info you already have in the way of census/BMD so we don't duplicate
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Am searching for the line back from great grand father Samuel Ebenezer Bridgart. Have his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Twelves in 1872 but dont have any information prior to that date. His daughter Ethel (b 1879) was my grandmother. Also interested in any information about Elizabeth Twelves.
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The 1881 census shows they were both b 1849. Samuel in Derby and Elizabeth in Brampton
This is the 1851 entry for Samuel in Derby St Werburgh
Anne Bridgart 40 married b Duffield
Samuel 2 b Derby
Emma 11 Months b Derby
Phoebe Clark 19 servant
HO107 Piece 2143 Folio 549 Page 29
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What is Samuel's fathers name and occupation on the 1872 marriage cert as I cannot find a male Bridgart marriage in Derbyshire between 1841-1851
Births Jun 1848
Samuel Ebenezer Bridgart Derby 19 583
Births Jun 1850
Emma Maria Bridgart Derby 19 641
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No father in 1861 either!
Reference RG09, 2502, 42, 16
57 Old Uttoxeter Road, Derby
Bridgart, Ann Head Married M 50 b Belper
Bridgart, Samuel Son M 12 Scholar b Derby
Bridgart, Emma Daughter F 10 Scholar b Derby
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The marriage cert shows his father as John Bridgart, joiner (Samuel was a grocer). Married in Independent Chapel Roth Moor Side Walton 21.10.1872 to Elizabeth Twelves whose father is shown as Simon Twelves, moulder.
Just received you message 'no father in 1861' - how very strange considering the information on the marriage certificate.
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There is a comment on a tree on Ancestry to the effect that:
John Bridgart, b 1787 Derby, d 3 June 1868 Adelaide, Australia
m Ann Walters, bap 1810, Belper
possibly 1 May 1845, at Gretna?
No sources mentioned, except the comment mentions an email from another Ancestry user.
The 1861 census simply doesn't show a father! Neither does the 1851 census?!
Just means that he wasn't at home on the nighth of the census.
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By 1891 Samuel is a widower and sister Emma - unmarried is living with him
(Funnily enough - there is an 1841 entry for a Samuel Bridgart - wife Ann - and that Samuel is a journeyman joiner.)
I suspect both children were illegitimate as there is no marriage or death for a John Bridgart. You may need to buy a copy of Samuel's birth cert
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Very interesting..............what is the best way for me to obtain Samuel's birth certificate?
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But . . . . . ;D ;D
There is this from 1851:
Reference HO107, 2142, 361, 5
Turnpike, Derby St Alkmund
Palmer, George Head M 39 Nurseryman b Derby
Palmer, Ann Wife F 37 b Derby
Palmer, Eliza Daughter F 7 b Derby
Bridgart, John Visitor M 25 Builder b Derby
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You can order online direct from the GRO using the reference I gave above. Cost is £9.25
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Births March qtr 1849
Elizabeth Twelves Chesterfield 19 513
Are you sure her father was Simon and not Samuel? There is an 1851 entry with a father Samuel who was a moulder
See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQW4-K9R
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This is so amazing - thank you so much for all your help :) I will send away for Elizabeth's birth certificate. Yes, Samuel could well be her father's name. Can I send for Samuel's birth certificate, do I need a reference number too?
Good to see that John was just away from home visiting - that solves the mystery! :)
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This is the 1851 entry
Samuel Twelves 41 iron moulder b Chesterfield
Elizabeth 41 b Calow
Ellen 17 b Duckmanton
Jane 15 ditto
Following children all b Walton Derbyshire
William 9
?? Margaret 8
Ann 7
Elizabeth 2
Emma 4 Months
HO107 Piece 2147 Folio 591 Page 1
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This is probably Samuel Twelves birth
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQWW-YHD
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Thats for the info re Samuel Twelves. I will send away for the birth certificates and see if I can get any more info on Samuel's line - doesnt look as though it will be easy. Bridgart's apparently were once named Bridgett but it was changed at some point.
Am so glad I found this site. You are all very helpful :D
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Hi,
In the 1841 Census Derby HO107/199 F 10 Pg 14
Civil Parish - St. Werburgh
Hundred - Derby Borough
Listed as
John BARDGNIT (error in transcription) age 50 Joiner
living with him as House Keeper is
ANN WALTERS
Have found a Birth Registration of Free BMD:-
Samuel Ebenezer Bridgart June Q 1848 Derby 19 583
Emma Maria Bridgart June Q 1850 Derby 19 641
So you are looking for a marriage from June 1841 to June 1848
Spendlove
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Hi,
Reported in The Derby Mercury Wednesday 2nd January 1889:-
DEATH
Bridgart On 25th December 1888 at 112 Cobden Street, Derby
Ann Bridgart aged 78 years
Derby Mercury Wednesday 7th March 1894
Bridgart On February 22nd at 112 Cobden Street, Derby
Samuel Ebenezer aged 45 years
Most people in UK can get access to Infotrac Newspapers, at home, by using their
Library or Gold Card.
Spendlove
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Thank you so much for this information :D I will now look for the marriage certificate of John and Ann. Unfortunately I dont live in the UK so cant access your papers (am at the other side of the world. :)