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I am hoping to locate a Victorian marriage for Catherine Monaghan and Henry Davis,possibly in the vacinity of Portland (Bay).
Catherine came to Australia on "Alexander" arriving Port Phillip 24 Dec 1841.
Their first child was born C1845 so they may have married C1844.
The Victorian marriage indexes available to me appear to start a little later.
They spent some time at Indented Head (Bellarine Peninsula) and there is a thought they may have married in Portland.
Help greatly appreciated.
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Hi there,
In the 1840s, that part of south eastern Australia was still part of the colony of New South Wales. Civil registrations for bdms did not commence in NSW until several years after the colony of Victoria was hived off in 1851. So, perhaps you may need to check the NSW BDM indexes .... online link here:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
I note though that these Early Church Records do not include all the Baptisms, Burials, Marriages for the years before civil registrations start.
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
From the NSW SRO records, image of the passengers on the Alexander page 8 of 9.
List of Unmarried Females
Catherine MONAGHAN, 17, House Servant, Roman Catholic, could not read or write, native place Co Cavan.
List of Unmarried Males
Philip MONOGHAN, 21, labourer, Roman Catholic, could read and write, native place Cavan.
Could these two be related?
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316
Cheers, JM
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I am hoping to locate a Victorian marriage for Catherine Monaghan and Henry Davis,possibly in the vacinity of Portland (Bay).
Catherine came to Australia on "Alexander" arriving Port Phillip 24 Dec 1841.
Their first child was born C1845 so they may have married C1844.
The Victorian marriage indexes available to me appear to start a little later.
They spent some time at Indented Head (Bellarine Peninsula) and there is a thought they may have married in Portland.
Help greatly appreciated.
Hi there,
From the NSW SRO records, image of the passengers on the Regulus page 6 of 7 arriving 19 Feb 1842, landing at same port as the Alexander.
List of Unmarried Females
Catherine MONAGHAN, 17, House Servant, Roman Catholic, could not read or write, native place Co Galway.
Noting that this lass has not just the same name, age etc as your lass, but that this lass arrived just weeks after your lass and so there could well be these two lasses in the same location at the same time. Both would be candidates for marrying your Henry Davis, and both would be possibles for the mother of the child born circa 1845.
Cheers, JM
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First marriage record in the Vic BMD index for a Henry Dav* is 1859, so no luck there, I'm afraid.
Dee :)
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Hi,
May I please ask re the child born c1845 ....
:) What was/were their given name/s,
:) How have you established they were born c1845 ....
:) Do you have Catherine Monaghan's name mentioned on that child's marriage or death registrations
Cheers, JM
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Previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,584841.0.html
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Thanks, Merlin. :)
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And, I should add that the lass from Galway on the Regulus may have had a younger sister with her !
And the lass from Cavan on the Alexander .... well there was a Bridget Munaghan of Galway on that voyage.
I hope Rex can untangle the knots on both the Davis and the Monaghan sides
Cheers, JM
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Thank you very much majm,deeiluka and MERLIN for your valued contributions.
Perhaps before directly answering some of your questions,I need to say that the death registration #6404 for Henry Davis dated 20 Mar 1896 for which I have a copy,shows that he died Meering via Kerang Victoria aged 78.I believe a son William was the informant.
Portion of this document says that he was married Portland Bay aged 2? to Catherine Monaghan.
Under the heading of issue was:
Annie 51
Elizabeth 48
Marie dec.
William 44
Henry ?42
John 40
Catherine 38
Thomas 36
Helen dec.
Alice dec.
James 30
Catherine snr had died Nov 1895 #14339
The ages of her issue equate.
Having retrieved a copy of his Will,I discovered that his son James was the sole beneficiary.
I don't have birth registrations for all of the children but know that some of the children were born Geelong,Indented Head and Bulldog Diggings.
I hope this helps.
Rex
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majm
I have copies of the passenger list "Alexander" showing both Catherine and Philip who I think must be her brother,both from Cavan.
I am puzzled by the possibility of the same Catherine arriving on the "Regulus" in 1842.
I need to clarify this.I thought the "Alexander" arrived 1841.
I wonder if she was transhipped?
Rex
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Hi there,
I think it is clearly TWO lasses, both Irish, both named Catherine Monaghan, both 17, both Roman Catholic, BUT one from Cavan and one from Galway. My concern is that both were landed in Victoria, within weeks of each other, so that when you are searching for a marriage or for children to a Catherine Monaghan, you need to be alert to the possibility that there were TWO possible lasses with that name.
The Alexander arrived Dec 1841, and the Regulus arrived Feb 1842. The images for the passenger lists for both vessels on those particular voyages are easy to freely search via the NSW SRO link that I provided earlier.
Cheers, JM
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Hello majm
I did notice that the Catherine Monaghan appears to have someone else travelling with her.
Assuming I have the right Catherine on the "Alexander",she must have had her brother with her.They were both from Cavan.
The Catherine on "Regulus" is cited as coming from Galway.
So I need to ensure that I have the correct Catherine.
I have not discovered anything further about a brother Philip.
I hoped to trace the family back to Cavan.
Unless I am mistaken,there is also a location Monaghan.
Rex
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Hi
On your other thread you give the date and place for the elusive 1842 marriage as detailed on the VIC bc for their son James. You can from that bc read who was that informant and thn look for a bc for James older siblings bcs looking for that same informant on one of those bcs and check if they supplied same date and place. That should give you confidence in the marriage info.
However even if you fine the marrriage cert it is most likely it will not include much info tohelp as it would be unusual for any 1842 MSW mc to note where the bride or groom were born ortheir parentage nor in many instance even their age. Usually you get scant info from those pre civil Early Church Records... eg Henry Davis barchelor/widow of this parish by banns/licence married Catherine Monaghan of this parish and the full date in words then according to the rrites of ... the denomination followed by signatures of the groom then the bride and then the witnesses. You may find the name of the person giving consent so perhaps IF Mrs Henry Davis was the lass from the 1841 Alexander then PERHAPS Philip was a witness.. Or perhaps Mary es Regulus was a witness ...
In any case either of the TWO Catherine Monaghan girls were in VIC in time for them to be joining a chap with whom they may have known of before the girls emigrated as the marriage seems to be 10 March 1842...at Portland. Perhaps the clergy chose not to provide his parish registers to the NSW RC authorities in Sydney or perhaps the seamail was lost en route to Sydney.
So I suggest you look for all the Monaghan / Munaghan arivals on for before late Feb 1842 including perhaps possible widows travelling with possible younger siblings for Catherine/Catharine /Kate...
Cheers JM. (2 fingerntyping from e reader so sorry for poor spelling ... 8 fingers on puter work better ... but I am not at favourite puter)
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Another thought or two
From the dcs for Catherine and for Henry .... HOW LONG in the colonies and does that point to any earlier arrival for Catherine rather than Dec 1841 or Feb 1842... Similar for Henry....
Could Catherine perhaps have come with parents siblings etc say in the 1830s perhaps to another port? Could the London born shoemaker, Henry Davis have been on the UK 1841 Census? Perhaps departing London shortly afterwards?
Also have you looked for Henry and household in the partial hoiseholder returns of the NSW 1841 NSW Census Index at NSWSRO online?
Cheers Clunky JM using a stylus thingy to pick keyboard keys
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Baptisms & Births for the children of Henry & Catherine:
Any wonder they were so hard to find registered under all these differing names ::)
MIRGAN Elizabeth bapt. 1853 #94
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDE
Reg Number: 94
Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC
Parish: ST MARYS, GEELONG
Fiche: 1136
MIRGAN Elizabeth
Baptism: 08 Aug 1853
Place: SAINT MARY OF THE ANGELS CATHOLIC, GEELONG
Father: Henry Mirgan
Mother: Catharine Monaghan
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MIRGAN Maria bapt. 1853 #95
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDE
Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC
Parish: ST MARYS, GEELONG
Fiche: 1136
MIRGAN Maria
Baptism: 08 Aug 1853
Place: SAINT MARY OF THE ANGELS CATHOLIC, GEELONG
Father: Henry Mirgan
Mother: Catharine Monaghan
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MIRGAN William bapt. 1853 #96
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDE
Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC
Parish: ST MARYS, GEELONG
Fiche: 1136
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MIRGAN Henry bapt. 1853 #97
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDE
Denomination: ROMAN CATHOLIC
Parish: ST MARYS, GEELONG
Fiche: 1136
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DAVIS Jno b. 1855 #4407
Father: Hy
Mother: Catharine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDENTED HEAD
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DAVIS Catherine b. 1857 #2157
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDENTD HD
MORGAN Catherine
Baptism: 08 Mar 1857
Place: SAINT MARY OF THE ANGELS CATHOLIC, GEELONG, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
Father: Henry Morgan
Mother: Catherine Monegan
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MORGAN Thomas b. 1858 #11925
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth Place: INDENTED HEAD
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DAVIS Ellen b. 1860 #19549
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAHAN
Birth Place: INDE
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DAVIS Alice b. 1862 #12835
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAHAN
Birth Place: INDE
MORGAN Alice
Baptism: 17 Aug 1862
Place: SAINT MARY OF THE ANGELS CATHOLIC
Father: Henry Morgan
Mother: Catherine Monahan
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DAVIS James b.1864 #24409
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine MONAHAN
Birth Place: BULL
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I haven't found Annie yet :-\
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Thank you Merlin.
Well done.It does make it difficult.
You have found all of the family with the exception of their first born.
Can I take it that these are church records with baptisms #94 throuh to #97 at St Mary of the Angel in Geelong?
Considering seven are recorded with variations of the mothers name Monaghan,can you give a possible explaination?
It is possible that the first born could have been known as Mary Ann and was born C1845 in the vacinity of Portland Bay.Both death registrations Catherine 1893 and Henry 1896 give the first born as Annie.
I have found a marriage 1865 to a John Minihan #414 and a number of children born Mt Prospect and Creswick.Indeed a tangle.
The birth registration #24409 1864 indicates that his father married 10 Mar 1842 Portland Bay.I am yet to find a marriage record.
The death registration for Henry Davis in 1896 also states that he married Portland Bay.
I hope that this is not too confusing.
Rex
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Another thought or two
From the dcs for Catherine and for Henry .... HOW LONG in the colonies and does that point to any earlier arrival for Catherine rather than Dec 1841 or Feb 1842... Similar for Henry....
Could Catherine perhaps have come with parents siblings etc say in the 1830s perhaps to another port? Could the London born shoemaker, Henry Davis have been on the UK 1841 Census? Perhaps departing London shortly afterwards?
Also have you looked for Henry and household in the partial hoiseholder returns of the NSW 1841 NSW Census Index at NSWSRO online?
Cheers Clunky JM using a stylus thingy to pick keyboard keys
JM
I looked at your suggestions earlier this morning.
I don't think the information on the certificates is necessarily conclusive.
The death registration for Catherine in 1893 states that she was 52 years in Victoria.This equates to an arrival C1841.A grandson was the informant.It also states that they married Geelong.
The 1896 death registration for Henry,I think reads 47 years in Aust. Colonies (doesnt mention Victoria).This equates to an arrival c1849.I don'think this could be correct.
His son William was the informant.The document does say Henry married Portland Bay.
I have not been able to check the 1841 UK Census or the 1841 NSW Index.
I have nothing to indicate Catherine came earlier.
Thank you.
Rex
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Hi Rex
May I ask please re 52 years on Mrs Ds dc
You have at reply 9 that her death was Nov 1895 with ref 14339... and at reply 17 you give 1893 ... is it possible she arrived 1843/44?
What a lot of offline work that Merlin has done to find those births/baptisms for you. Well Done Merlin.
Rex, the NSW SROs online indexes include that 1841 resource ... it is not complete.
Cheers JM
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Hi,
Trying to think 'outside the square' here, from my armchair....
The NSW BDM online index includes at their Early Church Records, Roman Catholic marriages at Geelong, Vic under the district code of LS, and under the code LR there's Roman Catholic marriages at St Francis, Melbourne....
So, if I search the NSW BDM online index, using the years 1835 - 1855, the district code LR and the keyword cath?rine there's over 50 brides, and at the LS code there's just 2.
Also, I notice from Merlin's post that Henry's surname would seem to have been MIRGAN, as Catherine's nee is recorded as Monaghan on those baptisms #94 - #97. I wonder if the marriage register for St Marys is extant? Perhaps the marriage for Catherine is in that register.
Cheers, JM
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Catherine snr had died Nov 1895 #14339
???
From records I have here that death reg is allocated to:
JOHANSEN Ingvoll age 33yrs d. 1895 MELBOURNE EAST #14339
Father: Unknown
Mother: -
This appears to be Catherine's:
DAVIS Cath age 70yrs d. 1893 KERANG #14669
Father: Unknown
Mother: -
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Re 1841 NSW and the district of Port Phillip
A quick skim, and I notice there’s a Henry DAVIES in the District of Port Phillip
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=18
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
Trying to think 'outside the square' here, from my armchair....
The NSW BDM online index includes at their Early Church Records, Roman Catholic marriages at Geelong, Vic under the district code of LS, and under the code LR there's Roman Catholic marriages at St Francis, Melbourne....
So, if I search the NSW BDM online index, using the years 1835 - 1855, the district code LR and the keyword cath?rine there's over 50 brides, and at the LS code there's just 2.
Also, I notice from Merlin's post that Henry's surname would seem to have been MIRGAN, as Catherine's nee is recorded as Monaghan on those baptisms #94 - #97. I wonder if the marriage register for St Marys is extant? Perhaps the marriage for Catherine is in that register.
Cheers, JM
Sorry
I cannot explain the surname MIRGAN.
Catherine Davis definitel died 12 Nov 1893 and Reg.#14339 applies so 1895 was in error.
The informant was Michael Kirk,grandson.
This document clearly states 52 years in Victoria.? this equates to arrival C1841.It also states that she married Geelong Victoria (death reg. for Henry states Portland Bay).She was 18 when she married ( ? 17 on passenger list 1841) and she married Henry Davis.
Her first born is given as Annie then aged 48.? this equates to Annie having been born C 1845.
I agree that the 1841 NSW Census has a Henry Davis living at South Head Rd,Alexandria,Cumberland,Sydney.I guess this could be him.
Thanks again to Merlin for confirming Catherine died 1893 not 1895.
Well done by both of you.
Now if I can only find the marriage and birth of Annie.
Rex
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Hi Rex,
The District of Port Phillip was that part of NSW in 1841 that we know is Victoria. There's a Henry DAVIES (not Davis) on that index, "in the township Melbourne, County Bourke, District Port Phillip" This is a completely different entry to the Henry Davis on South Head Road, in Sydney that you are mentioning.
Have you considered downloading Thomas MORGAN's civil birth registration that Merlin found (b 1858, #11925, father as Henry and mother as Catherine Monaghan, with birth place as Indented Head).... It should give when and where the parents married :) (and lots of other family history info too)
Could you check the rego number please on your copy of the Nov 1893 dc for Catherine Davis .... is the rego number 14339 or is it 14669.
Cheers, JM
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majm
I have noticed that Philip Monaghan,thought to be brother of Catherine who arrived on "Alexander" in 1841,died at Geelong 1889 #7584 aged 82.
My concern is that I have the correct Catherine from Cavan as destinct from the same name arriving 1842 born Galway.
The 1893 death registration for Catherine simply states she was born Ireland so that does not help.
Rex
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Hi Rex,
The District of Port Phillip was that part of NSW in 1841 that we know is Victoria. There's a Henry DAVIES (not Davis) on that index, "in the township Melbourne, County Bourke, District Port Phillip" This is a completely different entry to the Henry Davis on South Head Road, in Sydney that you are mentioning.
Have you considered downloading Thomas MORGAN's civil birth registration that Merlin found (b 1858, #11925, father as Henry and mother as Catherine Monaghan, with birth place as Indented Head).... It should give when and where the parents married :) (and lots of other family history info too)
Could you check the rego number please on your copy of the Nov 1893 dc for Catherine Davis .... is the rego number 14339 or is it 14669.
Cheers, JM
JM
The reg. Number could easily be 14669.The numbers are badly formed but after magnification it does look more like 14669.
I agree we might need to purchase the civil birth registration for thomas Morgan born 1858 #11925 as this might help solve who is who.
Thanks
Rex
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majm
Confirming that the Death Index for Catherine Davis shows #14669 1893 Kerang.her name given as Cath. Davis parents unknown.
Rex
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majm
I have noticed that Philip Monaghan,thought to be brother of Catherine who arrived on "Alexander" in 1841,died at Geelong 1889 #7584 aged 82.
My concern is that I have the correct Catherine from Cavan as destinct from the same name arriving 1842 born Galway.
The 1893 death registration for Catherine simply states she was born Ireland so that does not help.
Rex
The Philip Monaghan who died, aged 82 at Geelong in 1889 (born circa 1807/8) does NOT seem to be the same chap who arrived on the same vessel as a Catherine Monaghan in Dec 1841. The passenger list for that vessel has the chap as aged 21 (born circa 1820) I feel confident that any official sighting the chap on the Dec 1841 voyage would notice that huge of age difference (either 21 or in mid 30s) among the 33 unmarried males onboard and basically aged in their 20s or younger (see pg 5 & 6 of the online manifest).
I have had a quick look online for background to Co Cavan, and notice there’s around 30 Towns in that county in Ireland. There’s nothing on the incoming passenger list to show which of those localities within Co Cavan that either Philip Monaghan aged 21 or Catherine Monaghan aged 17 were from.
Cheers, JM
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Hello Merlin
Can I please refer you again to records you gave covering 1853 baptisms at Saint Mary of the Angels Geelong ref. 94/5/6/7 all with the surname Mergan.I know them as children of Henry Davis and Catherine Monaghan.I assume the four were baptised at the same time.I expect the births were in prior years.Are they baptisms on the birth index.Do you think Davis may not have been the father?
This is a puzzle.
Thanks
Rex
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majm
I now have the birth registration #11925 dated 8 Aug 1858 for Thomas Morgan ( not Davis).
His father is given as Henry Morgan---shoemaker aged 37 birthplace London.He was married 1844 Portland Bay Victoria.8 living issue are listed.They tally with my Davis records.
The mothers name is given as Catherine Morgan,maiden name Monaghan.
She is aged 36 and she was born Town of Cavan Ireland.
The informant was Henry Morgan,father,shoemaker of Indented Head.
The birth was registered 4 Sep 1858 Bellarine.
This indeed a mystery.
It would seem Morgan became Davis.
Rex
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Hello majm and MERLIN
I am still trying to resolve why certain records for the family of Henry Davis sometimes indicate that he was instead Henry Morgan.
A son Thomas was registered as Thomas Morgan at birth 1858 #11925 Indented Head but died as Thomas Davis Oct 1904 Eaglehawk#11253.
Baptism records from St Mary of the Angels Geelong for a number of siblings alternate the surname Davis and Morgan.
So far as I know the large family was always known as Davis.
Catherine Monaghan (with variations) is consistantly recorded as the mother.
Henry and Catherine are supposed to have married C1842 Portland Bay (recorded on children's birth records).
??? ???
Rex
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interesting.
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Wow,
Well even today it is not against the law to register a child's birth in a surname that is neither the father's nor the mother's. Mind you, not a lot of people actually register a child's birth in a different surname from that of the parents (or at least a combination of those two surnames). It is also still NOT against the law to 'become known' by a name that is different from your birth registration names. Mind you, it is a lot harder today than in the 19thC to be officially recognised by your 'new' name by the various government agencies that PAY out funds. Although I understand that the Taxation office has no difficulties in receiving money from anyone with a 'new' name.
There can be lots of reasons for people changing their surname.... and providing they are not attempting to deceive or etc then there's not any crime in changing it. It is just there to tantalise and confuse family history buffs ::) I gather there is absolutely NO mention on Thomas' 1858 birth for DAVIS? And you are keen to know where/when/why the change of name.... All I can say is that there was NO real need for anyone to demand to know those answers back in that era, and in my humble opinion it was often simply because of the lack of literacy that the apparent alterations were not picked up when they occurred.
Cheers, JM
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Hello JM
The mystery continues.Thanks for your suggestions.
I agree that it was easily done and we may never know why.
One interesting fact was that on exactly the same day as Thomas was born,four of his siblings were baptised with the name variation.A job lot.
However despite the different name on baptism,they all went through life using the name Davis.
I believe Thomas who married a distant relative of mine,married as Davis.
I must check to see what names were used at the birth of his children.
Such is life.
Thanks for your continuing interest.
Rex
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Hello Rex,
I might be far too late, but have you made any progress since? This is my husband's family. He's a descendant of Maria Davis born 1849. I'm not at all convinced by the suggested ancestors for Henry I have seen on Ancestry or Find a Grave. I'm not making much progress though.
Kelly.
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Hello Kells
So far as I am concerned , this query remains unsolved.
I am still trying to resolve why certain records for the family of Henry Davis sometimes indicate that he was instead Henry Morgan.
A son Thomas was registered as Thomas Morgan at birth 1858 #11925 Indented Head but died as Thomas Davis Oct 1904 Eaglehawk#11253.
Baptism records from St Mary of the Angels Geelong for a number of siblings alternate the surname Davis and Morgan.
So far as I know the large family was always known as Davis.
Can you help further>
Catherine Monaghan (with variations) is consistantly recorded as the mother.
Henry and Catherine are supposed to have married C1842 Portland Bay (recorded on children's birth records).
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Hello,
Nice to make your acquaintance. I've seen all the information about the baptisms of the children online and the alias they used and I'm no closer to working anything out either.
I would have thought that a marriage for Victoria in 1842 would have been recorded in a church register at least, possibly kept in NSW, but it seems nothing has turned up so far?
When Maria Davis married William Doherty in 1867 she gave her birthplace as Belfast (Port Fairy). Quite a distance from Indented Head.
Given there is no clear arrival in Australia for Henry, I was exploring the possibility of him being a convict. I've got nothing I can substantiate though.
I think Catherine was a little easier to work out, although I've found nothing in Cavan. I'm not convinced that Henry's parents are James and Charlotte nee Coles as so many other public records have (i.e. Ancestry trees). There are several potential candidates for Henry Davis in London baptism records. I'm not sure if I should be looking for Henry Morgan as well.
I'm in SA so I can't get to any primary sources in VIC but I'm keen to resolve this mystery also.
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Hello Kells
Are you familiar with this site which embraces Davis genealogy?
I have revisited my data and wondered if it offers an answer to our query.
I couldn't see the marriage of Maria Davis and William Doherty.
ccd185.magix.net/public/index.html (http://ccd185.magix.net/public/index.html)
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Hi,
Yes I have digested that site fully, the research seems quite sound so I have taken a lot from it. Its definitely food for thought. I'm still not clear on Henry's origins or the reason behind the name variant though.
Maria married William Doherty 21 April 1867 at Daylesford. They had 8 children and ended up in the Kerang area. I can't seem to find the marriage certificate but I am sure I have seen it.
Kelly.
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Hello Kells
I wonder if we are confusing Davis with Doherty.
There is a marriage 1867 William Dohorty = Maria Davis,
William is a s/o John Doherty and Mary Cunningham b14Apr 1845 d1886 Kerang.
Should I be correct , their children were:
William henry 1872 Bullarook
John Henry 1877 Inglewood
Thomas Andrew 1879 Kerang
Ellen 1883 Kerang
There might be confusion with another Davis family.
This one is Doherty who married Davis.
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Hello Rex,
No confusion on my part. Maria Davis was a daughter of Henry Davis and Catherine Monaghan. My husband is a descendant of Maria through her daughter Ellen (Doherty).
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Thank you Kells.
I think I have it straight now.
My mother (Doris Wyatt ) went to school in Kerang.
My connection to Davis is fairly distant.My maternal grandmother was reared
by her Hendy grandparents .Thomas Davies married a Georgina Margaret Hendy.1890 Sandhurst.
Thanks for your trouble.
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That's still a connection you have. All of my husband's relatives on his mother's side were in the Kerang and Bendigo areas before moving up to the Riverina in NSW. His grandmother only died recently, well into her 90s. I am interstate so not able to get around to any of these places.
Nice to make the connection with you. I guess we shall keep having a go with Davis until something turns up.